Traditional Or Combat

[GuruJim1]

With the rage of mix martial arts fighting, and everyone claiming that they do combat martial arts it seems that traditional (The art in martial arts) is a bad word today. Learning an effective martial art for street defense is one reason for learning the arts. I have seen sites saying that they can take on multiple attackers, and claiming that their grappling is the best art in the world. I have seen the students of these schools. There students always wearing t-shirts showing that they do that art, and they are ready to challenge anyone that accidentally bumps into them. There was one JKD school in Ohio where the teacher told his students that they should get into one street fight a week. To me mix martial arts is self-offense, attack any that looks at you funny. I watched the show on TV where these guys try to get a UFC contract. I was ashamed as a martial artist. The answer to every problem they had was to fight, or break things.

I teach to attack the attacker, but I also teach my students find a peaceful answer first, if at all possible. However, I do teach the some of the traditional art for self-perfection. Part of the martial arts is to perfect yourself as a person, and improve as a human being. To perfect, and control your body movements while performing your forms, stances, and techniques. In your training in the arts, you should try to become a better person in general, not just a fighter. I have been told many times that I don't look, or act like some that would do martial arts. That is if, they find out I do martial arts at all. I would rather walk away from the idoit trying to start something, than to fight. If the idoit try to attack, they will feel my the effects of my Pukulan.

Martial arts is the Yin and Yang. The one side is the traditional, or the art of the martial arts. The other side is the combat, or realistic street combat. To forget one of these side is going to make a bar room brawler, or a infective fighting art. So learn and practice realistic fighting, but also practice the art as well.

So what is the thoughts of the broad?

Thank You,
Guru Jim

http://groups.msn.com/PukulanTjimindeMalay/_whatsnew.msnw

 

[digitalronin]

With the rage of mix martial arts fighting, and everyone claiming that they do combat martial arts it seems that traditional (The art in martial arts) is a bad word today. Learning an effective martial art for street defense is one reason for learning the arts. I have seen sites saying that they can take on multiple attackers, and claiming that their grappling is the best art in the world. I have seen the students of these schools. There students always wearing t-shirts showing that they do that art, and they are ready to challenge anyone that accidentally bumps into them. There was one JKD school in Ohio where the teacher told his students that they should get into one street fight a week. To me mix martial arts is self-offense, attack any that looks at you funny. I watched the show on TV where these guys try to get a UFC contract. I was ashamed as a martial artist. The answer to every problem they had was to fight, or break things.

unfortunately there will always be schools that breed a false confidence their students. This guy u mentioned was pretty much a jerk and his type is to be avoided. As for the MMA scene its has its merits. It values the merits of an individual more than that of a particular system. This is beneficial since a person exposed to different sytems would take the best elements and adapt them to his or her personal use.

What seems to differentiate a combat system from a tradional system are matters of practicallity, mindset, and conditioning. Can the movements be used in a given environment and under certain conditions? Does that person have the mentallity to survive at high costs? and does he or she have the knowlege to know what to do?

ok, am just a beginner but thats my take on it.

peace

 

[Cruentus]

I'm not sure what there is to discuss here, but here goes...

I think part of the problem is fantasy in the martial arts. Whether it is MMA, Faux-traditional, RBSD, or whatever, people buy into this mentality that they could get into a fight at every turn. These people are chasing this alternate reality where they are confronted with attackers at every bar, ninja's in every alley, or snipers around every building, and they have to use their Kung Fu/Spec Ops/Cage fighting skills constantly. They are chasing the stories and experiences; chasing a tough guy image.

They do not exist in reality. The reality is that most of us live in a very civilized environment. Even in the worst cities of the U.S., the majority of the people in these places aren't fighting every day. 3rd world war zones are the exception, however you are looking out for morters and bullets in those environments, not the chance to use your cage fighting skills on some street-punks at the bar who need to be "snap or tapped" out. These people don't exist in reality, and are consequently looking for every opportunity to get into conflicts. These people do not realize the danger they are to themselves; if they aren't killed or hospitalized, they are on a fast track to prison.

These people are not the majority, luckily, but they do exist.

Paul

 

[GuruJim1]

I'm not saying that MMA doesn't have any value. I too teach a system of combat, but I also teach the art (in the upper ranks) for self prefection. Its just the main focus shouldn't be just on destorying another human being, but to also be a better person as well. I been in may real life encounter where I had to fight at high cost; hand to hand battle, empty hands against weapons, and close combat gunfights. I have study Silat, Kuntao, Kali, Kung Fu, and grappling. I feel cross training is very important to martial artist. However, to put the main focus on just to beat someone into a bloody plup should not be the end all and be all of the martial arts. But the combat, and the self-prefection should be studied together. Respect for the human race, and your fellow man, or woman. Thank you for your respondence.

 

[Cruentus]

I think the problems you discussed here are an epidemic that exists in ALL circles of the Martial Arts, not just MMA.

I agree with you that self-defense is more then just beating people to pulps.

Out of curiousity, what did/do you do for a living that you would be in as many combative encounters as you claim?

Paul

 

[digitalronin]

huh?

http://groups.msn.com/PukulanTjimindeMalay/gurujimbio.msnw

you were working bars at 18 and the owner didnt lose his liquer license?

sorry but ur bio needs work, bud

 

[Cruentus]

huh?

http://groups.msn.com/PukulanTjimindeMalay/gurujimbio.msnw

you were working bars at 18 and the owner didnt lose his liquer license?

sorry but ur bio needs work, bud

Digitalronin,

You can work security at Bars at 18 in pretty much all states, Digital. Unless Guru Jim has fabricated a portion of his Bio that I didn't notice or wouldn't know about, I don't see a problem with it.

Jim,

Never mind my above question...as I read your Bio. Also, I hope no offense is taken by my question; it is just a point of curiousity of mine when someone claims to have been in many encounters. Because most places here in the U.S. are somewhat civilized, when someone claims to have been in many encounters it usually means one of a few things: 1. they're lying (usual answer). 2. They're A-holes who went around picking fights or attracting bigger A-holes to get into fights 3. They simply made bad decisions (chose to hang around at the wrong places or with the wrong people) 4. They are in a profession that required them to get into encounters.

It would seem, if your bio is correct that your #4.

Thanks,

Paul Janulis

 

[digitalronin]

Oh man i stepped in it. gurujim, please accept my appology. I jumped to a conclusion and was very wrong. I assumed to work in a bar a person needed to be 21. Thanks paul for the clarification.



peace

 

[GuruJim1]

I'm right now a police officer, and instructor. By Ohio State Law, anyone at eighteen years of age can work in a bar. However, they can only be security, waitress, bar back, or bus person. They can't mix the drink, but they can bring you the drink. I have alway thought it was a strange law, but it was the law. Ask any Ohio Police Officer. I see you guys looked at my Bio on my site. But whats not on there is, I have done over 30 raids on enemy buildings and houses in Iraq, escorted 11 VIP's in and out of the war zone, and did convoy escorts with some close calls. I'm in a small town I'm in now there isn't much happening, but I have had a fight where a burglary suspect and I fought over my gun. Now, talk about blooding up a guy. My gun did go off during the fight, but no one was hit (Thank God). It was a fight for my life. Now as far as me being a police instructor. I'm a guest instructor for the Kansas Law-Enforcement Center (Hutchinson, KS) I teach Less-Lethal Projectitles (Bean Bag Shotgun), DUI Detection and Standardize Field Sobriety Testing, Doppler Radar, and Defensive Tactics. Let me say I'm not offended in any way. This fourm is for mature chat about the arts, and our systems. This way we can all learn more about each other, and build trust that will lead to friendships. All of your question is mature, and very intelligent. You all have the right to know if I'm a fake, or real. Please check out my claims, I'm the real thing. God Bless