To Doc about MSU

[camilyon]

Salute Doc,
Many believe my last thread (about your Ph.D) was malicious. I apologize if that is the way it came out to you. You possess great knowledge and I desire to learn from everywhere I can. I just wanted to ask the source instead of being moved by speculators.
Anyway, my question is what are all the Departments and Heads at MSU? (Again just doing homework). Thank you
Salute:asian:,
Camilyon

 

[Doc]

Salute Doc,
Many believe my last thread (about your Ph.D) was malicious. I apologize if that is the way it came out to you. You possess great knowledge and I desire to learn from everywhere I can. I just wanted to ask the source instead of being moved by speculators.

No apology necessary. I took it as an honest question, and that is why I responded. I had nor do I have any reason to think otherwise. There will always be detractors no matter what you do or prove. In a way it is a compliment because they cannot attack the Kenpo I teach because too many people have been exposed and "felt" what I speak of personally and have become believers, so they attack me instead. Its an old story, and not a problem to anyone other than those with a negative ax to grind. I prefer to put my energy into improving my teaching knowledge and skills - like most people do.

Anyway, my question is what are all the Departments and Heads at MSU? (Again just doing homework). Thank you

Currently with additional applications under advisement:

Department Heads & Chief Instructors:

Minoru J. Shibata - Aikido & Iaido

David Bellman – Jiu-jitsu

Clifford Stewart – LA Kilat Pukulan Silat Pencak Silat

Kevin Mills – SubLevel Four Kenpo™, Europe

Myself - SubLevel Four Kenpo™

Myself - Law Enforcement Consultant/Trainer

Ed Parker - Board of Credentials Co-Chair

Lincoln Conti - Board of Credentials Co-Chair

Gregg Lewis - Sr. Dean of Instruction

Theodore Humphrey - Sr. Dean of Education

Jerry Erickson - Outreach Director

A google search on the artistic heads will yield additional information.

Thank you.

 

[Drifter]

Do the other MSU departments teach similar things such as structural integrity, anatomical alignment, nerve cavity striking, etc? Thanks in advance!

 

[Doc]

Do the other MSU departments teach similar things such as structural integrity, anatomical alignment, nerve cavity striking, etc? Thanks in advance!

Yes they do sir. They all have a similar academic philosophy while staying true to the traditional concepts of their respective arts, which is inclusive of all of the things I lecture and speak on.

 

[Seabrook]

Currently with additional applications under advisement:

Department Heads & Chief Instructors:

Minoru J. Shibata - Aikido & Iaido

David Bellman – Jiu-jitsu

Clifford Stewart – LA Kilat Pukulan Silat Pencak Silat

Kevin Mills – SubLevel Four Kenpo™, Europe

Myself - SubLevel Four Kenpo™

Myself - Law Enforcement Consultant/Trainer

Ed Parker - Board of Credentials Co-Chair

Lincoln Conti - Board of Credentials Co-Chair

Gregg Lewis - Sr. Dean of Instruction

Theodore Humphrey - Sr. Dean of Education

Jerry Erickson - Outreach Director

A google search on the artistic heads will yield additional information.

Thank you.

Seems like a great group you have with you Mr. Chapel. Like I mentioned earlier, I had the opportunity of training with Kevin Mills a few weeks ago. He is a very talented Kenpoist, with a great attitude and humble heart.

Jamie Seabrook
www.seabrook.gotkenpo.com

 

[SION]

Hi Jamie,


Thank you very much for your kind words, I had a great time teaching at the camp, It was a pleasure to meet you and put a face to a name, one I might add that is very respectfull, it was an honour to have you in my group sir.

Shoot me an E Mail and keep in touch. [email protected]

Kevin

 

[camilyon]

How do people study and MSU? Do they learn more than one science/art there?

 

[Flying Crane]

I guess I am coming in late to the discussion, which university is this?

 

[Doc]

How do people study and MSU? Do they learn more than one science/art there?

To understand the reasoning for the naming of our schools, you need a bit of a history lesson. There came a point in time when Mr. Parker had been exposed to the traditional Okinawan, Japanese, and lastly Chinese arts, that he made a conscious decision to break away from all the traditions in favor of an American Academic approach to his personal teachings. Leaving tradition behind, he removed virtually all non-English terminology and references with one exception. He literally became a student academic of the Martial Sciences, and suggested I do the same.

He abandoned the original ‘yudanshakai’ authority he created, and left it to the Tracy’s and others. He dropped all references tied to those traditions. He eliminated ‘dan’ grades and ranking and substituted ‘degrees.’ Among the upper degrees, students became ‘professors,’ and ‘masters of the arts,’ etc. ‘Certificates’ became ‘diplomas,’ and ‘dojo’s’ and ‘kwoon’s’ became schools (commercially ‘studio’s’). In the old ‘club’ days, the money you paid for lessons was called ‘dues.’ Mr. Parker changed that to ‘tuition.’

The point is Mr. Parker was making a conscious effort to legitimize the study of the ‘martial sciences,’ (not to be confused with ‘martial arts’ which he overtly placed in a separate category). He spoke about how one day a person would be capable of attending a Martial Science College and acquiring an accredited degree in the sciences. When you look at the categories available for academic acceptance, he reasoned, “There is no reason why Martial Science should not be among them.”

This is what he emphasized as an example of how I should approach teaching, as well as the expectations I should have of my students. To that end, our approach to teaching has always been modeled after the college experience, and initially we called ourselves the “College of Martial Science” after Mr. Parker’s passing.

As we began to interact with others who had a similar non-commercial perspective to teaching in other arts as well, we expanded the name to “Martial Science University.” With reputable department heads representing their respective disciplines, we feel we have assembled a credible staff of instructors. We teach a number of different sciences, but only from the perspective of the conduit of human anatomy as it pertains to out namesake goals.

Traditionally, when we have large physical exams we invite teachers from outside the University to sit as a panel of advisors to observe the quality of our student candidates. We have had (The late) Edwin Hamile and Dr. Bernd Weise from Shotokan. Ralph Castro from early Kenpo Karate and Shaolin Kenpo. Steve Hearing from Ed Parker’s early Chinese Kenpo. Barbara Hale, Jack Autry, and Frank Trejo from Ed Parker’s ‘motion’ Kenpo. Douglas Wong from White Lotus Kung Fu. Isaiah Williams and Curtis Faust from Lima Lama, and Taroo Mason from Goju Ryu. In-house we have all of those previously listed in the initially post.

No, we are not an accredited university, nor do we pretend to be. But neither are we a commercial karate studio. We are not listed commercially nor do we advertise locations. Preliminary interviews are by appointment only, and a personal historoy assessment is a factor in acceptance. We do have many academics with substantial degrees and education numbered as students and teachers in more than one country. The name signifies our approach to teaching, and the expectations we have for anyone who would apply to enroll. There is a rigorous selection process as any “university” to be admitted, and many are turned a way. Our written tests are long and are essay instead of multiple choice. The physical exam demands you demonstrate a credible command of the curriculum, and only your actual “academic classroom hours” are counted, not nebulous weeks, months, or years of attendance. It was Mr. Parker’s true dream that someday someone will finish the process he started, and give the martial sciences the credibility it deserves in an actual accredited university. The term “Martial Science,” which I got from him will always be associated with Mr. Parker’s efforts as we and our successors work toward the goal.

 

[camilyon]

Thanks for the history lesson, Doc. Much needed. So do students study more than one martial science perspective (style) at MSU?

 

[Doc]

Thanks for the history lesson, Doc. Much needed. So do students study more than one martial science perspective (style) at MSU?

Students pick the discipline and instructor they prefer, but from our kenpo perspective it really is inclusive. All of the disciplines seem to find great value from our non traditional kenpo perspective, and borrow frequently from our curriculum. The differences are mostly philosphical and a matter of area of concentration and focus.

 

[DavidCC]

he removed virtually all non-English terminology and references with one exception [\QUOTE]

"kimono"? LOL I'm sure that's not it. Tiger and Dragon? Those are english words... :idunno:

 

[pete]

my guess was qi (or ki) which really has no literal english translation...

 

[Doc]

my guess was qi (or ki) which really has no literal english translation...

Well sir, the understanding of Qi/Ki as he approached it was based on bio-mechanical understandings and not esoteric or subjective terms that most use to avoid explaining what (or how) to achieve the results. He always used terms like "internal energy," "bio-mechanical efficiency," "physical alignment," and "structural integrity." He explained the Chinese Philosophy of "Vitalism" was a simple way to explain the "unexplainable" of the time.

 

[Doc]

he removed virtually all non-English terminology and references with one exception [\QUOTE]

"kimono"? LOL I'm sure that's not it. Tiger and Dragon? Those are english words... :idunno:

The lone exception Big Dave was ......... the Japanese word "kiai." It is unique to the Okinawan/Japanese tradition and serves a function when teaching beginners. The Chinese don't seem to have an equivalent for this specialized breathing method, instead opting to just "breath correctly for the circumstance." All other non-English words he went through great pains to excise them from what he wanted for his pure "American Kenpo." He allowed however the use of other culture and lineage terms in his "Kenpo-Karate," old and new. Lots of confusion between the different Kenpo's of Ed Parker.

 

[DavidCC]

The lone exception Big Dave was ......... the Japanese word "kiai." It is unique to the Okinawan/Japanese tradition and serves a function when teaching beginners. The Chinese don't seem to have an equivalent for this specialized breathing method, instead opting to just "breath correctly for the circumstance." All other non-English words he went through great pains to excise them from what he wanted for his pure "American Kenpo." He allowed however the use of other culture and lineage terms in his "Kenpo-Karate," old and new. Lots of confusion between the different Kenpo's of Ed Parker.

I noticed your guys do use vocalizations on strikes, care to elaborate on the SL4 use of "kiai"

 

[Doc]

I noticed your guys do use vocalizations on strikes, care to elaborate on the SL4 use of "kiai"

Generally speaking, thee are certain sounds that can create specific postures to support the activity at hand. Others do not and have a negative effect.

 

[D.Cobb]

Generally speaking, thee are certain sounds that can create specific postures to support the activity at hand. Others do not and have a negative effect.

When you say that they have a negative affect, Doc, does that refer to the practitioner or to his opponent?

This question was easier to ask before I typed it out, I hope it makes sense.

--Dave

 

[Doc]

When you say that they have a negative affect, Doc, does that refer to the practitioner or to his opponent?

This question was easier to ask before I typed it out, I hope it makes sense.

--Dave

Of course it makes sense sir. I should have been more clear. In martial science we know that human posture is very specific. That is, when a posture is defined for a specific activity, it encompasses the entire body. Everything matters and the smallest variation can have a positive or negative impact on your physical structure. The movement or position of one finger can mean the difference between structural soundness, or lack thereof. To make sounds or utterances, the body moves and positions certain parts to create different specific sounds. Movement of the diaphram, jaw, facial muscles, and tongue all play a part in this process. Therefore to achieve a particular physical goal, if you wish to support it by utterances, the correct sound must be utilized formulating the correct anatomical body posture.

Although some may find this a bit extreme, it is a matter of rountine understanding among real professors of the science utilized continuosly as a matter of correct posture. After all even your thought process can affect your body structure based upon learned unerstandings of what certain words and phrases are supposed to bring physically to our environmental activities.

 

[D.Cobb]

Of course it makes sense sir. I should have been more clear. In martial science we know that human posture is very specific. That is, when a posture is defined for a specific activity, it encompasses the entire body. Everything matters and the smallest variation can have a positive or negative impact on your physical structure. The movement or position of one finger can mean the difference between structural soundness, or lack thereof. To make sounds or utterances, the body moves and positions certain parts to create different specific sounds. Movement of the diaphram, jaw, facial muscles, and tongue all play a part in this process. Therefore to achieve a particular physical goal, if you wish to support it by utterances, the correct sound must be utilized formulating the correct anatomical body posture.

Although some may find this a bit extreme, it is a matter of rountine understanding among real professors of the science utilized continuosly as a matter of correct posture. After all even your thought process can affect your body structure based upon learned unerstandings of what certain words and phrases are supposed to bring physically to our environmental activities.

Excellent, Sir, thank you very much. It seems we are on the same page.

--Dave