What do you mean was!! It still is!!
I noted the Hapkido influence in my book (it influenced other aspects also, particularly hosinsul practice), there are also references and pictures in the first (English edition) TKD book by Gen Choi, published in 1965 of thros, sweeps etc.
Possibly as many held belts in different arts due to the occupation as well (such as Judo) - all these were influences in TKDs inception... they were there at the beginning and are thus also now (and for the last 55+ years), are TKD techniques as well as Hapkido techniques (if you see my point).
Again, I completely agree and its something I noted in an earlier post (either on this thread or another)
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Slight correction - we were involved in the same debates, as were lots of others, I dont recall ever formerly debating anything with you on a 1 to 1 type basis (even on a forum thread), usually I just ignored your posts, because as I said above usually I dont like to feed the trolls.
LOL - only in your dreams, though you posted some reasonable stuff occasionally, most of it was posting remarks about people or flame wars, and that isnt really contributing is it! Just like your initial post here doesnĀt contribute anything to the thread at hand.
Theres no argument going on here, just a discussion! If you donĀt want to comment, then you should have started a new thread to cut and paste all your woes.
Your criticism you mean.. most others are happy with its content - but then again, they have actually read it! Genuine criticism is fine, criticism due to a mass chip on their shoulder is a different matter, as in that case, everything is incorrect isnĀt it!
I donĀt recall getting involved in too many historical debates on the ITF-Forum, I didnĀt do much in-depth research back then (regarding history) and donĀt see myself as a TKD Historian anyway, so why would I get involved.. maybe the odd one or two if I knew anything about what was being discussed. LOL at your "coming off second best" jibe.. you really love your veiled digs dont you... bit sad really, more so as I donĀt recall any arguments that one could win or come 2nd in.. they were simply discussions and one which I made my points.
Afraid not, the book was release in July 2006, ITF-Online was gone by then - get your facts straight.
HavenĀt got a clue what your talking about.. 'Official statement' from who? Perhaps you should elaborate, and then IĀll be able to let you know if what you refer to is included in the book.
I think your still living in Mas Dreamland, as I still dont have a clue what your on about. Offensive, in the nature you imply is belittling a woman who spoke about herself being a victim of an attack and implying (as you did) that it was her fault.. the reason you were finally banned from MAP! Now thatĀs disgusting and offensive!
I donĀt think so... you have never asked me to produce anything, even within your forum posts - though I have asked you a few times to produce things, but you never had! But, if I knew what you were talking about, then perhaps I would, as I've nothing to hide, everything about me and what I do is online and transparent for everyone to see.. the same cannot be said about you, even though you often state everyone already knows you already, I and most do not apart from your moniker ĀMasLĀ and your reputation as a TKD forum troll, anything else is not forth coming is it! Whys that I wonder!
Stop with the lies Mas! As I said above, I donĀt know what youĀre referring to and if you make it clear then I am happy to stand by anything IĀve written.
Youngman is very capable of speaking for himself and doesnĀt really require you to speak for him, though itĀs usually your game to latch onto posts that are on the 'other side of the fence' in order to make your arguments seem stronger, gain allies (which you rarely do) or bring up old stuff to cause problems. If Youngman or anyone else that isnĀt a troll wants to discuss it further, I am happy to...
DonĀt think so, the reasoning is very sound IMO, though I am happy to be corrected.. unlike yourself!
Did you? Prove it to the good folks here! You often use your past TKD history to try and add weight to your arguments, but never offer any evidence to support it, despite being asked about it on numerous occasions by others, you still, to this day, have presented nothing that shows you even trained in TKD.. the only thing I know, from reading another thread that involved someone else you attacked is that you trained under the UKTA for a bit then quit at blue or red belt (And even then I donĀt know how true or false that is do I), which relates to 2/3 years training maybe and if it was in the 70Ās, then its mostly a Ānever question anythingĀ type of class, as thatĀs how they were back then. I have a video of UK TKD in the 70s, UKTA no less.. Perhaps you are in it.. send me a photo and IĀll check for you!
Some people!! Again, you mean you.. please speak in the right (first person) perspective.
Read the book... it explains all!
The person you refer to never posted on ITF-Online, so its not whoever this Michael is, so the rest of your paragraph is irrelevant.
Please feel free to offer proof of this claim, I am always respectful and polite when I write on forums (unlike yourself), even with those I may disagree with. Anything I say in fun is usually followed with a smiley to indicate this and show that its fun, not serious. And I never use bad language as you seem to imply.
Which are?
DonĀt recall any of that.. but as I said, feel free to point them out and IĀll look them over if in fact they are incorrect and something I have written. PM me directly and we`ll go through them rather than clogging up this thread further.
I donĀt recall Han Il Dong being mentioned on the web site - please point it out. Furthermore, in my book I discuss the 'Taek Kwon' connection myth anyway..
Now your referring to the MAP forum (you do like to chop and change donĀt you, blurring things together to try to re-enforce your points, when they arenĀt connected at all). To those reading this, MasL disputed facts of a known & respected TKD historian (Dakin Burdick I believe Ā who has had published works in the Journal of Asian martial Arts on TKD History), and I simply said if he was to do that then he should be forthcoming with his own involvement in TKD to add weight to his arguments rather than being an 'unknown'.. thats similar to someone mocking Muhammed Ali's boxing, under a name no one can verify, and unwilling to say/prove what their background, own history and grounding in boxing is, so their dismissiveness carrys much less weight than someone with credentials, like Ali or Burdick!
And neither did I.. if its allowed on this forum, feel free to link the discussion and let others decide for themselves instead of spreading you falsehoods!
Really.. a number of people didĀ and you simply ignored them, perhaps you should re-read the thread yourself!
Because I had nothing to apologies forĀ it was a public forum and I donĀt see why I should apologise for asking for your credentials if you are going to tear into another person!!
I refer to no Āgolden ageĀ simply that TKD was used in Vietnam, of which I offered evidence.. (both in the book & posted on the thread you refer to).. Funnily enough, the evidence I posted showed your unsubstantiated claims to be incorrect!
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