TKD and myth

[aplonis]

Yeah, but that plays back into the myth since an "informed" expert would sagely then point out that "He's not doing TKD anymore. Classical TKD doesn't have those attacks or techniques".

Monte Beghtol, GM of Western Michigan Tae Kwon Do has a saying much appreciated by all his students and which they quote often: "If it worked on me yesterday, its Tae Kwon Do today."

You can't get any more practical than that.

 

[Marginal]

Interesting analogy Last Fearner.

Yes. Interesting to know that TKD is just as much western fencing, or Roman marching techniques as it is a set of techniques and practice methodology borrowed from the Japanese.

 

[cali_tkdbruin]

To me, IMHO, Last Fearner laid it out nicely in a long about erudite way. TKD was not born in 1955, of course not. Really, only the name was born at about that time. This particular MA has a very long history, and more importantly it was never completely shut down by the Japanese occupation of Korea.

 

[Miles]

I respectfully disagree with you, sir, and it is not because I believe you are wrong. It is because I know that we are talking about two different things, even though you might not realize it.

What makes Taekwondo unique is the study of these arts through sport. The lessons learned have given Taekwondo what it has today. Taekwondo books from 25 years ago do not have a problem addressing this issue, even the ones written in Korean. They admit the link to Karate and we should too. It does not devalue our art at all. In fact, it strengthens our lineages.

Yes, Last Fearner, I agree with you-you are talking about two very different things. MSUTKD was looking at the art of Taekwondo as it has evolved through the mechanism of sport. This is actually similar to what has happened to Japanese arts where elements of Ju-Jitsu became Judo and elements of Kenjutsu became Kendo. We are blessed that TKD continues to evolve-it is a growing, not a stagnant art.

Miles

 

[Last Fearner]

To me, IMHO, Last Fearner laid it out nicely in a long about erudite way...

lol - - Thanks cali_tkdbruin. I do tend to be long (sorry), and sometimes I can be "deep" in my philosophical viewpoints, but I don't know about being learned. :idunno:
I had to look up the word "erudite" to find out what it means - lol :lol2:

Thanks for your input,
CM D. J. Eisenhart

 

[crushing]

Monte Beghtol, GM of Western Michigan Tae Kwon Do has a saying much appreciated by all his students and which they quote often: "If it worked on me yesterday, its Tae Kwon Do today."

You can't get any more practical than that.

Hi 'aplonis',

That's funny, I just saw that quote on your website today while 'googling' WMTKD. I guess it is all about what the artist wants to get out of the art. Personally, I like that my instructor isn't so rigid with TKD, and incorporates some other arts into the instruction. But, that gets back to the question as to whether it can still be considered TKD. The answer is. . . I don't know. "I don't know (enough about the) art, but I know what I like."

Also, I like the way you have the forms layed out on your site. Do you know if there are website for other chapters of WMTKD? I'm specifically looking for the Muskegon area. Thanks!

 

[LeiDren]

For me, the biggest problem I have is explaing to other people that TKD is different from other Martial Arts. How many times have I been asked about my "Karate" or "Kung-fu" or my "crazy ninja"? They don't seem to realize that the arts are very distinct, albeit with some crossover. Sometimes it feels like trying to explain colors to the blind.

Them: "So what do you do?"
Me: "Tae Kwon Do."
Them: "So like, karate?"
Me: "Well, there's a lot more emphasis on kicking."
Them: "So if I chained your legs together, you couldn't do anything?"
Me: "There's only one way to find out..."

An actual conversation. Scary stuff.

 

[terryl965]

For me, the biggest problem I have is explaing to other people that TKD is different from other Martial Arts. How many times have I been asked about my "Karate" or "Kung-fu" or my "crazy ninja"? They don't seem to realize that the arts are very distinct, albeit with some crossover. Sometimes it feels like trying to explain colors to the blind.

Them: "So what do you do?"
Me: "Tae Kwon Do."
Them: "So like, karate?"
Me: "Well, there's a lot more emphasis on kicking."
Them: "So if I chained your legs together, you couldn't do anything?"
Me: "There's only one way to find out..."

An actual conversation. Scary stuff.

Yea I have had those myself, like sure dude try my leg together, while I just sit here and wait.
Terry

 

[jfarnsworth]

How about the one's that say TKD sparring sucks:idunno: . No punching to the head, the groin, sweeps etc? I know we've all heard it. My replies say, get your *** on the mat and test your skills. Then they might find out how high paced and action packed it is. It peeves me to no end.:flame:

 

[jfarnsworth]

"You take TKD? Are you a Black Belt?"

It seems that is the only color people know.

To the generalized uneducated public that's all they know. It's something we all must take in stride. I had to correct more than one student at our school by calling someone master so&so. That didn't set well with me and let all 3 of them know none of us were a master. Sorry, getting back to Jen, the general public only knows what they see on tv. The biggest misconception is that if you're a black belt you are super human or something. They dont' realize we are people just like everyone else except we take our training seriously.

 

[cali_tkdbruin]

...The biggest misconception is that if you're a black belt you are super human or something. They dont' realize we are people just like everyone else except we take our training seriously.

Yup, and any black belt, well trained or not is susceptible to an *** kicking just like everyone else. Just because one's a black belt doesn't carry much weight when thugs and scumbags carry firearms, or are bigger than you, or many other factors that can negate your training. Don't get me wrong, being trained in the MAs is a good thing, many times it does give you an advantage, but, I would agree, being a BB or a martial artist doesn't make you invincible.

This is reality, not a Hollywood chopsocky movie...

 

[cali_tkdbruin]

BTW, in real life can Jackie Chan or Jet Li block a 9mm round hurling toward their torso with a knifehand? :2pistols:

 

[FearlessFreep]

I would agree, being a BB or a martial artist doesn't make you invincible.

It *doesn't*? Oh, man, what do you t hink I've been studying all this time for?

 

[cali_tkdbruin]

I would agree, being a BB or a martial artist doesn't make you invincible.

It *doesn't*? Oh, man, what do you t hink I've been studying all this time for?

:mst: ... :rofl:

 

[crushing]

Don't get me wrong, being trained in the MAs is a good thing, many times it does give you an advantage, but, I would agree, being a BB or a martial artist doesn't make you invincible.

At least not until we rid the world of kryptaekwonite.

 

[jfarnsworth]

It *doesn't*? Oh, man, what do you t hink I've been studying all this time for?

Well buddy, I hate to tell it to you this way. Maybe we should have sat you down in a chair; you know, kinda privately to tell you such worldly things.

 

[cali_tkdbruin]

At least not until we rid the world of kryptaekwonite.

Nice... :rofl:

 

[LeiDren]

BTW, in real life can Jackie Chan or Jet Li block a 9mm round hurling toward their torso with a knifehand? :2pistols:

Nah, they use crescent kicks.

 

[Miles]

Nah, they use crescent kicks.

Or spinning heel kick to send it right back at the shooter!

Miles

 

[matt.m]

My list:

Myth
"Taekwondo is a new Art."
"Taekwondo comes from Shotokan Karate."
"Taekwondo is only sport, and won't work in real life self defense."
CM D. J. Eisenhart

I think these are the top 3 that I dispise the most. Look do not confuse your chinese and korean. Tae Kwon Do is ancient, and look I know first hand that Tae Kwon Do is a very effective self defense vehicle.