The Texas Filibuster

[Big Don]

so it excuses the right using Nazi tactic in pushing their agenda through?
okies....

What Nazi tactic is that?

 

[arnisador]

I'm saying minorities get abortions at a far higher rate, just as Sanger, the other Eugenicists and Nazis liked.

What's your point, then?

 

[granfire]

What Nazi tactic is that?

Bending the process to get the desired outcome.

Did you not pay attention?

 

[Big Don]

Bending the process to get the desired outcome.

Did you not pay attention?

Oh, using common parliamentary tactics is nazi like. OK...
Even by that (idiotic) standard, I'd say it is better to use Nazi tactics than to espouse Nazi goals.

 

[Big Don]

What's your point, then?

That the DNC is the modern heir to Nazism, Margret Sanger and Eugenics doesn't bother you?

 

[arnisador]

That the DNC is the modern heir to Nazism, Margret Sanger and Eugenics doesn't bother you?

You're really off the deep end.

 

[granfire]

Oh, using common parliamentary tactics is nazi like. OK...
Even by that (idiotic) standard, I'd say it is better to use Nazi tactics than to espouse Nazi goals.

Aside from the childish personal attack, how do you figure that?

Oh, I am sure the Nazis saw it your way, since they figured the end justifies the means.
Oh, no wait, that's your point, right.

Sanger - isn't she dead?
Anyhow, tell me how it isn't Nazi goals to demean part of the population, to deprive hem of their legal rights....

Means or goals, neither means a thing if you can't legally obtain it.

But I am astonished to say the least, that you, as defender of all that is just against undue influence are not outraged about the blatant abuse of the system.

Oh well, at least when the women die from back alley abortions, their bodily autonomy is reinstated....

 

[crushing]

Hmm, that pose looks somewhat familiar...

It should.

 

[pgsmith]

Oh, using common parliamentary tactics is nazi like. OK...
Even by that (idiotic) standard, I'd say it is better to use Nazi tactics than to espouse Nazi goals.

Manually changing the time stamp so the vote looked legal is only common parliamentary tactics for idiots like Perry and his cronies. Unfortunately, idiots like Perry covers the vast majority of the GOP.

 

[aedrasteia]

An armed woman is a free woman.

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you're welcome.

 

[billc]

As to the time stamp change...

http://www.statesman.com/news/news/ruling-says-time-stamp-was-correctly-changed/nYXqf/

In a statement, officials with the Legislative Reference Library — the office in charge of the online listings — said the change was nothing more than correcting an error. It said TLO listings are always preliminary until they are made official after Senate and House records are verified.
“When the Senate took its final actions on SB 5, the LRL floor staff was unable to hear the motions made or the result of votes taken,” the statement said. “After midnight the LRL floor staff confirmed that a vote was taken on the motion to concur in House amendments and that the motion prevailed. The system used to enter actions for TLO defaults to the current date, so when the concurrence action was initially entered, the system automatically entered 06/26/13.”
The statement continued: “In reviewing the actions initially entered by LRL staff, and based on our best understanding at that time that a vote was taken on the motion to concur, we modified the date of the action to 06/25/13. During or after the senate’s deliberations on SB5, LRL did not enter or alter any information on TLO at the direction of any Senate officer or member.”
“After confirming the date of the final vote on SB5 to have been 06/25/2013, the LRL has now corrected the entry on TLO to reflect the official record.”
Officials said actions taken by either legislative chamber are entered and updated in the TLO system manually by the library staff “and for that reason there is a delay between the time the action takes place and the time the action is entered into TLO.

“TLO is not the official record of those actions, and LRL enters actions on TLO as a public service independently of the officers of the House or Senate,” the statement said.
The statement also said that “the LRL strives to ensure the information in TLO is timely and accurate, and as part of our normal business process, the LRL ultimately verifies actions posted in TLO against the official journals of the Senate and House. TLO actions should be considered preliminary until verified against official Senate and House records.”

 

[billc]

This is from Kirsten Powers, a liberal, liberal democrat, who is a contributer to the Fox News cable network...

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/07/02/kirsten-powers-i-don-t-stand-with-wendy-davis.html

It’s amazing what is considered heroism these days.


A Texas legislator and her pink sneakers have been lionized for an eleventh-hour filibuster against a bill that would have made it illegal for mothers to abort babies past 20 weeks of pregnancy, except in the case of severe fetal abnormalities or to protect the life or health of the mother.

People actually cheered this.

In addition to the limit on late-term abortions, the Texas legislature sought to pass regulations on abortion clinics similar to what was passed in Pennsylvania in 2011 after the Gosnell horror. The New York Times warned that the Texas bill “could lead to the closing of most of Texas’s 42 abortion clinics.” That sounds familiar. In 2011, the Pennsylvania ACLU claimed a post-Gosnell bill “would effectively close most and maybe all of the independent abortion clinics in Pennsylvania.” Last month, a Pennsylvania news site reported that “several” abortion clinics have closed, which isn’t quite the Armageddon the abortion-rights movement predicted.

So no, I don’t stand with Wendy. Nor do most women, as it turns out. According to a June National Journal poll, 50 percent of women support, and 43 percent oppose, a ban on abortion after 20 weeks, except in cases of rape and incest.

Gallup reported in January that 80 percent of Americans think abortion should be illegal in the third trimester, and 64 percent think it should be illegal in the second trimester.

If the majority of Americans oppose elective late-term abortion, why do we have Davis complaining to CBS’s Bob Schieffer that the male politicians who are championing the late-term abortion ban are “bullying women”? Maybe it’s she who is bullying the rest of us into supporting a view that is mocked by scientific advancement; namely 3-D sonograms. Maybe we should be thankful for the men and wonder what is wrong with the women who think protecting the right to abort your baby for any reason up to the 26th week is a “human right.”


Human-rights movements have traditionally existed to help the voiceless and those without agency gain progressively more rights. Yet in the case of abortion, the voiceless have progressively lost rights at the hands of people who claim to be human-rights crusaders. Abortion-rights leaders have turned the world upside down. They want us to believe that a grown woman is voiceless, that she has less agency than the infant in her womb who relies on her for life.

 

[arnisador]

This is from Kirsten Powers, a liberal, liberal democrat, who is a contributer to the Fox News cable network...

Hmmmm...one of these things i not like the other.

 

[pgsmith]

Texas SB5 is about late term abortion in the same way that the Civil War was about slavery.

 

[granfire]

Texas SB5 is about late term abortion in the same way that the Civil War was about slavery.

Blasphemer!

 

[Drasken]

Really. See, clinics here won't perform a late term abortion unless there is something wrong. At least usually. My friend's ex wife, I had mentioned her previously in another thread about abortion, she was told by a doctor with no morals that the abortion she wanted was not possible because it was at 24 weeks. Then he claimed she wouldn't be able to carry the child to term, a claim all in all that was false and she had no pain or symptoms to back it up. But the abortion happened anyway.

The problem is not the regulations. Or the qualifications of the staff. It is that the agencies tasked with enforcing these regulations are nowhere to be found. You can't enforce the laws when you never set foot in the place. The paperwork can be manipulated, and often will be, by people breaking the law and covering their tracks.
The laws they talk about passing are BS. I have seen clinics first hand. They are cleaner than most hospitals I have visited. The regulations they speak of placing are generally just time consuming and expensive.
Why do this? To force a clinic, which gets no government funding and is struggling to stay open, to close their doors.

What gets me, is that these same tactics of secret meetings, pushing through bills that haven't even been fully read and discussed, all of it. It has been done before. For gun legislation and Obamacare and the like. And people like Bill rose up against it and the immoral and illegal activities used by the officials to push their agenda.
But now that it is something these people agree with, it's all ok?
I don't care if I agree with the laws in question here or not. This whole thing is disgusting. And the worst part? You guys still can't see the blinders you have on.

Wake up already guys, you're smarter than this.

 

[billc]

To tell you the truth I haven't followed this story that much. I will say that I won't trust the account of the democrats, or their members in the media, to tell the truth about how this event actually happened...and accusations of secret deals, time code changes...I'll wait till someone more neutral tells the story. The democrat/government/obama media, can't stand Rick Perry, Texas, and they don't like pro-life supporters and they will do everything they can to support abortion, on demand for any reason. So any details from those groups are automatically suspect in my mind. How do I know this...the I.R.S. was used as tool by the democrats against conservative groups, including pro-life groups...so before I get animated about the legislative process in Texas...I have to know what the process is supposed to be, and I would prefer to hear it from a neutral source.

I'm all for doing things by the declared rules, so if something was done that violated the rules...I'm against it...with the belief that both sides need to obey those rules. If one side breaks them...I don't see much of a choice but to follow the new rules they apparently want to follow instead. The democrats are willing to use the agencies of the federal government as weapons against Republicans and Conservative groups...are those supposed to sit there and just say..."okay." You win, we'll waste our time trying to follow the Byzantine system to get you guys to obey the rules you are supposed to be following, while you guys continue to cheat. Especially when the Department responsible for investigating these things...is controlled by eric holder...

 

[Drasken]

To tell you the truth I haven't followed this story that much. I will say that I won't trust the account of the democrats, or their members in the media, to tell the truth about how this event actually happened...and accusations of secret deals, time code changes...I'll wait till someone more neutral tells the story. The democrat/government/obama media, can't stand Rick Perry, Texas, and they don't like pro-life supporters and they will do everything they can to support abortion, on demand for any reason. So any details from those groups are automatically suspect in my mind. How do I know this...the I.R.S. was used as tool by the democrats against conservative groups, including pro-life groups...so before I get animated about the legislative process in Texas...I have to know what the process is supposed to be, and I would prefer to hear it from a neutral source.

I'm all for doing things by the declared rules, so if something was done that violated the rules...I'm against it...with the belief that both sides need to obey those rules. If one side breaks them...I don't see much of a choice but to follow the new rules they apparently want to follow instead. The democrats are willing to use the agencies of the federal government as weapons against Republicans and Conservative groups...are those supposed to sit there and just say..."okay." You win, we'll waste our time trying to follow the Byzantine system to get you guys to obey the rules you are supposed to be following, while you guys continue to cheat. Especially when the Department responsible for investigating these things...is controlled by eric holder...

Well Bill, it goes both ways. You see, either side will demonize the other in order to gain ground. But when the Democrats did something, you used conservative media in most of your quotes. Yet now you want a neutral party to report. It's odd that you don't see what's happening here.
Like I said, I can agree with either side if the arguments made are logical. And I trust neither party. You are so anti democrat that you are supporting Perry. And trust me, the most conservative man I know here in Texas even says he's an idiot. Not only that, but you are setting aside your morals and beliefs about doing things by the law to support him. It doesn't matter if we agree with the agenda. I disagree with his methods. And to say a neutral party has to report on it? There IS no neutral party bill. The media takes one side or the other. You can't claim a neutral party when the whole nation is so far into left or right that nobody sees the middle ground anymore.
And it's sad that we have once again started the game of showing evidence of something and listening to the other side basically repeatedly saying "nuh uh" until nobody cares anymore.

 

[arnisador]

I would prefer to hear it from a neutral source.

Breitbart?

 

[Sukerkin]

This is George Carling, so you know the language will be offensive ... so don't watch it if that will upset you or if your political blinkers are so welded on you can never have an independently intelligent thought.

The clips not about the abortion issue, it's about the whole screwed up system that has people like Don and Bill thinking it makes a 'happoth of difference which 'party' is technically running the show:

[video=youtube_share;Yi6XV8yBFoU]http://youtu.be/Yi6XV8yBFoU[/video]