Originally posted by Dan Anderson
If I ever meet you, I'll cover the first beer.
Yours,
Dan Anderson
Make it a Sam Adams or a microbrew.
Take care,
Brian
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Originally posted by Dan Anderson
If I ever meet you, I'll cover the first beer.
Yours,
Dan Anderson
Originally posted by Renegade
:deadhorse
Get my point?
Originally posted by WhoopAss
I understand your point of view on the Symposium thing. I just wanted to point out that the Symposium is not a problem solver. Some folks appear to give the impression that they think it does.
I just want to reiterate that all the debates is really going nowhere and is pointless for the reason that we are all with the groups that we are happy with.
Hey, I just posted for the 200th time !! Do I get a beer for this ?
Take care,
Brian
Originally posted by norshadow1
Yes, Renegade. We get your point. Perhaps you could reply with some more text rather than pictures.
Lamont
Originally posted by dearnis.com
This really hits at the heart of the problem;
. . .
Successor to the art, or to a system?
. . .
Let's be honest; say a will comes out tomorrow naming a board of 25 (or 15 or 17 or 29 1/2; take your pick). It isn't going to happen. It just isnt. The future of the art lies with the groups now teaching it, large and small.
I think it is about time to forget about the past and look ahead.
Originally posted by Dan Anderson
A couple of comments. First I agree with DrB's four main premises for having the Symposium. I also agree it is a thankless job to put it on so prior to even having the event, I'll be the first to thank him here in print.
On a totally different note, my condolences to DrB regarding the two deaths in his family. I hope things are sorting out. See you in Buffalo, Jerome.
Yours,
Dan Anderson
Originally posted by dearnis.com
The future of the art lies with the groups now teaching it, large and small.
I think it is about time to forget about the past and look ahead.
Originally posted by WhoopAss
I feel that all the debates and the Symposium will not really do anything to resolve any of the issues. The Symposium isn't going to change anybody's minds. I think all of this is really pointless.
Take care,
Brian
Originally posted by David Hoffman
Regarding the Symposium. I think it is a good thing for various instructors, including those who broke away ten or more years ago, to get together to share their knowledge. These people have a lot to teach us about their own learning from Professor and their individual development of the art within their art. It matters not if they went their own way during Professors lifetime or have different agendas now. If we do not make everyone with experience comfortable sharing their knowledge, we are in danger of losing their precious information! Ive known Jerome since back in the day, and I dont think he is returning after ten years absence to compete with the self proclaimed or legitimate leaders. I think Jerome is sincere in trying to provide a forum for the different alternative arnis organizations. I regret that his Symposium is being portrayed as a confusium. At least a half dozen of those on the documents Professor left outlining the future board are on the instructors list Ive seen. Others, such as Rocky and Jerome are a blast from the past and I think it is great that they are getting together to teach.
Datu David Hoffman
Originally posted by DoctorB
It is time for Modern Arnis instructors to actually lead by moving forward because this is in reality the "Post-Professor Era". The discussions and conversations of the Symposium will be as important as the instructional programs.
Jerome Barber, Ed.D.
Originally posted by PAUL
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Just to add my 2 cents regarding little "grandmaster" Nanoy or Kevin.
When I had Professor over my house in 2000, he and my little 13 year old brother Jimmy were screwing around with the canes (no serious training) and Professor grinned at me and said, "Faulino, your frother is ver-y good! He will be the next Grandmaster!" Then we all had a pretty good laugh.
This backs up Mr. Hoffmans point.
Professor had a habit of saying things to make people happy, and he often didn't intend people to take his words, or even actions as gospel.
Jimmy isn't a grandmaster anymore then those other two kids. To claim successorship or Grandmastership based off of a non-serious, on-the-side comment is ridicules. I feel bad for young McManus and Nanoy in this circumstance. It is not their fault that they are being crowned a false prince by influences who should know better.
Oh well....more crap to clog the toilet, I guess.
:flushed:
Originally posted by David Hoffman
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"No matter what happens, somebody will find a way to take it too seriously..."
...yadda, yadda, yadda... (several lines deleted)
As regards to Professors grandson, the statement, so you will be the next Grandmaster? was made at a solemn family reunion and reconciliation during his final days. It was a very serious and solemn time. The statement, and it's implied nomination, holds both great promise and great challenge for Carlos. It does nothing to change Professors written leadership plan, but it certainly does add depth and potential to it.
Professor also made a very clear and meaningful gesture at this meeting:
He gave his grandson Carlos his Uniform!
Datu David Hoffman
Originally posted by David Hoffman
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"No matter what happens, somebody will find a way to take it too seriously..."
...I have told you before, Paul, that I admire your sincerity. You obviously want your voice to be heard. On these forums, the leaders are those post the most. Bob has asked me if you might interview me for an article on the Datus of Modern Arnis. If you want to have your ideas and words accepted, you will have to show some basic respect. Not just for your seniors, but for everyone, young and old. First and foremost, you must respect yourself and think before you post...
Datu David Hoffman
Originally posted by norshadow1
So what exactly was the Professors written leadership plan? There seems to be a number of different versions. As someone who "was there" you can enlighten us. A number of your posts seem to be of the "I've got a secret" type telling everyone that you have the information and will publish it shortly...but now is not the time.
Why not just put it out there and be done with it? What are you waiting for? There is a great deal of hearsay, speculation and spin circulating that it would seem necessary to open the books and set the record straight, if you do indeed hold the information that woud do so.
Lamont
Originally posted by norshadow1
I too have noticed "patterns".
I've noticed that many Modern Arnis "leaders" (by this I mean those that are in a position of authority in an organization) on this forum fall into one of three molds. The first is to talk in circles and attempt to redirect the conversation in another direction.
Another is the "some people will never be satisfied with any answer, so it doesn't matter" approach.
The third is an approach is to "lurk" and occasionally communicate with a few words and some pictures. Lamont
Originally posted by David Hoffman
Hello Lamont,
I regret giving the appearance that I am holding a taunting secret. This is not my intention. The existence of the written leadership plan just slipped out in some words I addressed to Dan and Dieter. Then with all the questions I felt I had to give some advance information to justify my request for a little patience. For legal and fiduciary reasons I can not say more at this point. I have addressed this in detail in my earlier post. The courts in New England work frustratingly slow. This has been a difficult process full of delay and frustration! Presently, I am in the final stages and will soon be able to make this information public. Please understand, I did not intend to bring it up prematurely, it is similar legally to when a soldier is shot, the next of kin must be notified before the name is published. I am bound by similar rules.
As you say, I was there, and I do intend to enlighten you. As I have never taken a position hurtful to anyone in Modern Arnis, have no private agenda and am well known as Professor's close confident, I feel entitled to ask again for patience. You will also note: I have given up my active voting position in the Federation in order to be impartial when I address this issue. I would not do so if I expected much more delay.