Doc
Senior Master
--"1) Are triple burner and triple warmer interchangable terms?"--
Yes. When you translate from the many Chinese Dialects you'll see "Triple Warmer, Heater, Burner, etc. All the same just different translations.
--"2) "I also know that even if a student is not capable of exactly hitting the mark in the beginning, as long a I give him good basic execution the technique will work on a mechanical level quite well. " That almost sounds like Motion Kenpo talk... I thought those points were stressed from the beginning?--
Well the difference is we are working on a specific alphabetical sequence backed up by an anatomically correct delivery system. I know everyone says they emphasize correct basics, but I haven't seen them. I think some do some "effective" basics but that's different. As you know I can rebuild and show you the difference in everything you do on the spot. I gave a guy a lesson in "fighting posture" today and HOW to get there. This guy stepped back into a neutral bow, hands up on guard, with fists clenched tightly. He looked beautiful, but I knocked him over with one weak push. Although the posture looked correct aesthetically, he got there anatomically incorrect and destroyed his "Platform Relationship." Therefore he had no strength to resist.
--"3) I know you are against blunt force trauma and attacking soft tissue areas. Do you refer to those nerve point activations as just that, "activations" or as "micro traumas"?--
I'm not really against "BFT," just the reliance on it for effective application. If all you have is "BFT" than sooner or later you run into someone who doesn't feel pain or can take a hit better than you can. Everytime you hit a meridian it has an effect even if the opponent doesn't "feel" it. Like the guy at the camp. He felt me tap him (you know I don't hit people like Dillman does. He really clocks people. No wonder they go down.) but because there was no real pain, he thought he was ok and even told me so. Then he crashed and burned. It really scared the guy and we had to talk afterwards because he didn't understand why he fell or why he couldn't get up. In blunt force trauma and soft tissue attacks you are trying to inflict pain. Under certain circumstances, society might not find this acceptable. In California putting your fingers in someones eyes is called "mayhem," and is a legal enhancement that ups the penalty under the law and a man might have a difficult time justifying this type of action, no matter what. We don't do soft tissue strikes because they are either overkill or unnecessary.
With Ed Parker's SubLevel Four Kenpo interpretation, pain is not the objective, incapacitation is. Of course that doesn't mean it doesn't hurt, but pain is a vicarious byproduct of the application. That's the beauty of it. You can modulate the destruction from extreme to almost nothing but still maintain the control.
--"4) Could you comment on the "levels" that you go through in the system. What level does CMA (control manipulation alternatives) represent? I think you mentioned there were 5 stages/levels as you re-examine the base with advancing students if I'm not mistaken? Mr. C referred to his process as "phases"...."
Yes, Ed Parker called the levels "Phases" as Dennis I and I both do. However Motion-Kenpo is a stand alone concept that has it's own phases. It was created in the early seventies specifically for the purposes of proliferation. SubLevel Four Kenpo has a so-called "ideal phase" as well but it's different. It's called a "Default Technique Phase," or Phase One. This Phase encompasses everything taught from beginner to black. Forms, sets, techniques, and it's own unique physical principles and body mechanics that are not available in Motion-Kenpo. As you saw on your visit, the orange and purple move better than many browns and blacks because of the emphasis on proper execution and body mechanics above everything else for effective applications. The really cool thing is, if you accept and work at it, it doesn't take any longer to learn.
Phase Two re-interprets the forms and sets and teaches applications hidden in them. All of them are functional and are not motion based at all. (Neither are they in Phase One). The techniques are also raised to a higher level of aggression where every attack includes additional hand or foot assaults in conjunction with attempts to wrestle or take you down. This introduces the GCM Concept and students are obliged to finish the Default Technique Sequence no matter what the opponent does by controlling the distance. This Phase also contains the introduction to Control Manipulation with Short Form One as the base vehicle to begin the process. Phase Two also becomes "Nerve Cavity Specific" by teaching more what, when , and how.
Phase Three Introduces Control Manipulation Alternatives (CMA). These are quick finishes to techniques that are short, vicious, and effective. The level of destruction is still under your control however with the emphasis on attacking nerves and misaligning the body as you align your own. The smaller details become obviously rellevant.
Phase Four requires a student execute the technique with a Full Control Manipulation finish for every technique in the curriculum. A student must control the attacker fully and completely dominate the destructive potential of the circumstance. (However the term Control Manipulation and Contact Manipulation have different meanings in SL-4 interpretation).
Phase Five is where you learn to formulate. Not physically because you already learned that by Phase Four, but you learn to formulate Destructive Sequencing to be effective, as well as explore internal energy, and healing techniques. Knowing what nerves to attack, what sequence, and what posture is necessary to facilitate specific cavity availability are all here.
This is the short version. We do a lot more.
Yes. When you translate from the many Chinese Dialects you'll see "Triple Warmer, Heater, Burner, etc. All the same just different translations.
--"2) "I also know that even if a student is not capable of exactly hitting the mark in the beginning, as long a I give him good basic execution the technique will work on a mechanical level quite well. " That almost sounds like Motion Kenpo talk... I thought those points were stressed from the beginning?--
Well the difference is we are working on a specific alphabetical sequence backed up by an anatomically correct delivery system. I know everyone says they emphasize correct basics, but I haven't seen them. I think some do some "effective" basics but that's different. As you know I can rebuild and show you the difference in everything you do on the spot. I gave a guy a lesson in "fighting posture" today and HOW to get there. This guy stepped back into a neutral bow, hands up on guard, with fists clenched tightly. He looked beautiful, but I knocked him over with one weak push. Although the posture looked correct aesthetically, he got there anatomically incorrect and destroyed his "Platform Relationship." Therefore he had no strength to resist.
--"3) I know you are against blunt force trauma and attacking soft tissue areas. Do you refer to those nerve point activations as just that, "activations" or as "micro traumas"?--
I'm not really against "BFT," just the reliance on it for effective application. If all you have is "BFT" than sooner or later you run into someone who doesn't feel pain or can take a hit better than you can. Everytime you hit a meridian it has an effect even if the opponent doesn't "feel" it. Like the guy at the camp. He felt me tap him (you know I don't hit people like Dillman does. He really clocks people. No wonder they go down.) but because there was no real pain, he thought he was ok and even told me so. Then he crashed and burned. It really scared the guy and we had to talk afterwards because he didn't understand why he fell or why he couldn't get up. In blunt force trauma and soft tissue attacks you are trying to inflict pain. Under certain circumstances, society might not find this acceptable. In California putting your fingers in someones eyes is called "mayhem," and is a legal enhancement that ups the penalty under the law and a man might have a difficult time justifying this type of action, no matter what. We don't do soft tissue strikes because they are either overkill or unnecessary.
With Ed Parker's SubLevel Four Kenpo interpretation, pain is not the objective, incapacitation is. Of course that doesn't mean it doesn't hurt, but pain is a vicarious byproduct of the application. That's the beauty of it. You can modulate the destruction from extreme to almost nothing but still maintain the control.
--"4) Could you comment on the "levels" that you go through in the system. What level does CMA (control manipulation alternatives) represent? I think you mentioned there were 5 stages/levels as you re-examine the base with advancing students if I'm not mistaken? Mr. C referred to his process as "phases"...."
Yes, Ed Parker called the levels "Phases" as Dennis I and I both do. However Motion-Kenpo is a stand alone concept that has it's own phases. It was created in the early seventies specifically for the purposes of proliferation. SubLevel Four Kenpo has a so-called "ideal phase" as well but it's different. It's called a "Default Technique Phase," or Phase One. This Phase encompasses everything taught from beginner to black. Forms, sets, techniques, and it's own unique physical principles and body mechanics that are not available in Motion-Kenpo. As you saw on your visit, the orange and purple move better than many browns and blacks because of the emphasis on proper execution and body mechanics above everything else for effective applications. The really cool thing is, if you accept and work at it, it doesn't take any longer to learn.
Phase Two re-interprets the forms and sets and teaches applications hidden in them. All of them are functional and are not motion based at all. (Neither are they in Phase One). The techniques are also raised to a higher level of aggression where every attack includes additional hand or foot assaults in conjunction with attempts to wrestle or take you down. This introduces the GCM Concept and students are obliged to finish the Default Technique Sequence no matter what the opponent does by controlling the distance. This Phase also contains the introduction to Control Manipulation with Short Form One as the base vehicle to begin the process. Phase Two also becomes "Nerve Cavity Specific" by teaching more what, when , and how.
Phase Three Introduces Control Manipulation Alternatives (CMA). These are quick finishes to techniques that are short, vicious, and effective. The level of destruction is still under your control however with the emphasis on attacking nerves and misaligning the body as you align your own. The smaller details become obviously rellevant.
Phase Four requires a student execute the technique with a Full Control Manipulation finish for every technique in the curriculum. A student must control the attacker fully and completely dominate the destructive potential of the circumstance. (However the term Control Manipulation and Contact Manipulation have different meanings in SL-4 interpretation).
Phase Five is where you learn to formulate. Not physically because you already learned that by Phase Four, but you learn to formulate Destructive Sequencing to be effective, as well as explore internal energy, and healing techniques. Knowing what nerves to attack, what sequence, and what posture is necessary to facilitate specific cavity availability are all here.
This is the short version. We do a lot more.
