Taijiquan Training Question
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East Winds
2nd Black Belt
marlon,
The applications are basically the same. The difference is in Brush and Push your opponent is attacking from the front, whilst in Embrace the Tiger, the opponent is attacking you from behind. The other differnce is of course, after Brush and Push you move into Strum the Lute, whereas after Embrace the Tiger you transition into Grasp the Birds Tail.
Hope this helps
Very best wishes
The applications are basically the same. The difference is in Brush and Push your opponent is attacking from the front, whilst in Embrace the Tiger, the opponent is attacking you from behind. The other differnce is of course, after Brush and Push you move into Strum the Lute, whereas after Embrace the Tiger you transition into Grasp the Birds Tail.
Hope this helps
Very best wishes
marlon
Master Black Belt
thank you. To be clear you are saying the postures themselves are exactly the same but the application is different and the sequence after is different. The names are very different and i thought the posture would be different. single whip and diagonal single whip the same posture done in different directions...so i thought this must be something different
respectfully,
marlon
respectfully,
marlon
East Winds
2nd Black Belt
marlon,
No. The application is the same in that you are blocking and diverting a punch whilst returning a strike with the opposite hand. You need to always distinguish between posture and application. They may not be the same.:erg: There can be several different applications for the same posture. For instance in Strum the Lute you can dislocate the opponents right shoulder by locking his elbow with your left hand on the outside of his arm, or you can break his arm or even throw him by locking his arm with your left hand inside his elbow.
Hope this is not confusing
Very best wishes
No. The application is the same in that you are blocking and diverting a punch whilst returning a strike with the opposite hand. You need to always distinguish between posture and application. They may not be the same.:erg: There can be several different applications for the same posture. For instance in Strum the Lute you can dislocate the opponents right shoulder by locking his elbow with your left hand on the outside of his arm, or you can break his arm or even throw him by locking his arm with your left hand inside his elbow.
Hope this is not confusing
Very best wishes
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Xue Sheng
All weight is underside
Traditinal Yang Long form - Deflect (aka block), Parry, Punch
Also from the 13 postures Zhou or Chou
marlon
Master Black Belt
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Xue Sheng
All weight is underside
Get the form first and don't worry about it.
Work on the 13 postures and you will see Zhou and how it works and to be honest it is a more powerful stike than what you get from Block, Perry, Punch.
Look at your elbow positions in the posture and know that in applicatoin things don't always look or work exactly the same.
Work on the 13 postures and you will see Zhou and how it works and to be honest it is a more powerful stike than what you get from Block, Perry, Punch.
Look at your elbow positions in the posture and know that in applicatoin things don't always look or work exactly the same.
East Winds
2nd Black Belt
marlon,
No, the form should end as you are finding it, i.e. not at the starting point.
As you will know, Grasp the Sparrow's Tail is a series of arm locks. During the transition from Roll Back to Press there is a downward pressure before applying the actual press. Other than that of course, there is downward pressure from one had in order to apply the arm locks.
Very best wishes
No, the form should end as you are finding it, i.e. not at the starting point.
As you will know, Grasp the Sparrow's Tail is a series of arm locks. During the transition from Roll Back to Press there is a downward pressure before applying the actual press. Other than that of course, there is downward pressure from one had in order to apply the arm locks.
Very best wishes
pete
Master Black Belt
yesmarlon said:
can't speak for yang style specifically (east winds can though), but tai chi applications should apply principles of yielding and adhering while neutralizing and counter-attacking. its easier to stick to a 'hands on' attack an 'go with it', than a 'projectile' attack in flight. it requires more skill to make it work against an punch and still keep to tai chi principles.marlon said:
Our sifu (CMC Yang derivative) taught a variety of techniques against punch attacks. Some days it seemed that was all we defended against.
He had an interesting way of teaching.... he'd pick a posture and ask what we thought the defense application was.... I'd guess and would always be wrong, earning me the honor of dummy to illustrate actual move upon ... After several repetitions, then he'd ask again what I had thought, wonder aloud if that might work as well - and demo that in front of the class, on me, several more times. Ouch.
Those of you who have stock in pharmaceutical companies making ibuprofin have me to thank for your dividends.
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