Tai Chi's Push Hands Law of Primal Unity

[JowGaWolf]

If the form creator could link 3 moves into a logic sequence, why would he link 3 moves into non-logical sequence?

I believe the original creators of the techniques did use logical sequences. However, as fewer people practice these techniques, the logic behind them gets lost, especially if the student isn't learning how to apply the technique through sparring and against other systems.

 

[JowGaWolf]

When I walked on the beach, I liked to train 8 of my throws. One day I decided to combine 2 throws into 1 combo. This way, I only needed to drill 4 combos instead of 8 individual throws. When I combined 2 throws into a sequence, I would connect it into a logic order. If I could do that. The ancient form creator should be able to do that too.

Keep in mind that you are using it because you know how to use the throw. How many people can use kung fu techniques. Not many because most kung fu sparring looks like basic kickboxing.

 

[windwalker099]

What do you mean "I like the teacher's work?" If someone has great combat skill/ability, I will say that I like his combat skill/ability. The term "work" is a bit too abstract for me. I like the term "combat". It's used as part of my organization ACSCA. The 1st C is "combat".

Abstract ? This term is often employed to encompass various types of intellectual, creative, and practical efforts within a discipline...

Don't care much for the term "combat" , understanding the context in which some might use it,
find it misleading, it is not training for "war"

What kind of "work" is the "work" that you are talking about?

The work that is outlined in the teachers web site , the teacher has good skill, an interesting background.

 

[windwalker099]

There are a couple of well known Yiquan schools/teachers in Beijing, I’m sure neither those schools or your teacher would wanted to have risk any eventual and unnecessary confrontation escalation caused by either their students. In the sense of losing/keeping face.

You can be sure, but you don't know. The statement is based on ignorance.
Maybe things have changed in the past 20yrs or so..

In my teachers group it was common for people to stop by from other practices, some stayed finding something quite different. Others, some noted teachers, or students of them visited

In some aspects found my teacher to be kind of unique, he was quite open about allowing others to feel his practice.
Invited by others within the group...

I've had a couple of people from the US meet him awhile back...always a good time.
A lot of his students had many yrs of practice in other arts, it was interesting.

For those no one knew, he had people there that handled things...
kinda sad at times watching what happened to them. This was China, what could one say..
my teacher in his 80s at the time I knew him...

Yiquan in the Yao Zhongxun linage do not shun boxing/sanda, on the contrary this linage recognizes the condensation to essential martial arts(pugilistic)principles in western boxing and therefore can easily take to its practice to condition for entering sanda/boxing competition .

Have read books in English long ago about the art...the creation of it.
Do you feel this accounting is true ?

" M Yao lifted his hand and made a very small fa li motion towards Ao’s face. Ao felt as if a large mass of paper had hit his forehead, it scared him witless. Have you ever come across this ability?

C: M Yao was always reluctant to talk about this kind of thing, even in his books he denied it existed in Yiquan. His intent was not to lead Yiquan students astray. Actually, the practice of Yiquan can develop this ability."

It might account for some of your feelings about the practice.
Asked if you could do some of things shown, as it mentioned the "practice of Yiquan can develop this ability"

those who enter competitions probably don’t even profile themselves as Yiquan practitioners

If they do not acknowledge style or teacher.
Then why mention them ?


The OP mentioned "Hunyuan" giving his description of it with out any reference points photos, video ect.

The teacher talks about the same thing, providing photos and videos of his practice
What he "shows" aligns with my experience although the verbiage is different.

Student: What is Hunyuan strength?
Master Fung: Hunyuan strength refers to oneness, whole body strength or six surfaces strength. It is different from regular strength.

 

[windwalker099]

"We have a great showcase of two different Yiquan (aka dacheng quan) vs mma sparring. In the first match, we have the Yiquan Master (Qiao Huan Xiang) taking on a mma guy in kickboxing.

In the second match, we have the same yiquan master taking on another mma guy (most likely a coach) in boxing. Let's see what great lessons we can learn and observe, especially about body mechanics and fascia slings.

Full match on this douyin channel: 北京大成拳求真学社"

 

[JowGaWolf]

"We have a great showcase of two different Yiquan (aka dacheng quan) vs mma sparring. In the first match, we have the Yiquan Master (Qiao Huan Xiang) taking on a mma guy in kickboxing.

In the second match, we have the same yiquan master taking on another mma guy (most likely a coach) in boxing. Let's see what great lessons we can learn and observe, especially about body mechanics and fascia slings.

Full match on this douyin channel: 北京大成拳求真学社"

I don't like these videos because they are always a bad example of something. They are just not good representations of the system they train. This is why one of my biggest drives is to do my best to be a good representation of Jow Ga Kung Fu. So that no one can say that Jow Ga is useless.
I don't have enough knowledge of Yiquan to tell you guys if that's what's showing below so I can only go by the titles.

If the martial artist has bad footwork, then don't even bother posting it. Footwork never lies and anyone who does martial arts or MMA but has really bad footwork, probably don't spar or they probably don't have a realistic sparring session.

 

[windwalker099]

I don't have enough knowledge of Yiquan to tell you guys if that's what's showing below so I can only go by the titles.

Neither do I

Not a fan of the style, along with other short hand CMA styles..
While appreciating their uniqueness and historical traditions of the past.

The fight commentary clip has a
suggested link for those unable to view utube

"Full match on this douyin channel: 北京大成拳求真学社"

This is why one of my biggest drives is to do my best to be a good representation of Jow Ga Kung Fu. So that no one can say that Jow Ga is useless.

Very commendable,
Always good to see those providing example's for others to see.

Something I did back in the 70s... Ultimately finding it pointless, although I did learn a lot about what I was looking for and met many good MA people to train with at the time.

You and KF Wang, post video's of you'r "work"
very good...always enjoy watching videos of what people write about.

Lots of things have changed since the 70s...