Rarely.Are these "incorrect" methods knocking people out in real situations?
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Rarely.Are these "incorrect" methods knocking people out in real situations?
Rarely.
It is if you do it poorly.So the whole striking element is basically ineffective?
It is if you do it poorly.
Rarely.
So, statistically speaking, most fights have ineffective striking because more fights are decided by decision than KO?
So, statistically speaking, most fights have ineffective striking because more fights are decided by decision than KO?
My comment was facetious.Doesn't matter if 10% of fights finish with striking. You could look at that 10% and find out what effective looks like.
And the decision is based at least partially on who has the more effective striking.
My comment was facetious.
|Wow! There are books written on that and you expect a short answer?
OK, I'll try....
Traditional karate is close quarter fighting and the kata is designed around that. If that is not the case kata cannot work as intended because fighting is not choreographed. Bunkai works on a predetermined response, ie block with the only arm available or get hit. Unless you have seen bunkai trained this way you probably won't understand what I am saying but both Iain Abernethy and Masaji Tiara use this all the time.
And is there a statistic for the average number of strikes thrown before the fights are ended on a KO?
There was one MMA fight I saw on TV where there were over 200 strikes thrown by each fighter and the fight still went to the judges for a decision. I saw another where a whole bunch of strikes were thrown but the one that ended it was a punch to the solar plexus, after which Joe Rogan said "He hit him right in the solar plexus, I don't think I've ever seen that before".
Also how many of those KO's were produced because one fighter did not have his hands up or was swinging wildly and not aiming for anything in particular..
One of the reasons we in the traditional arts spend so much time working on our technique in the basics and patterns is to avoid wild unguided strikes and sloppy strikes.. That is not to say that sloppy striking only happens in MMA but to put it up as the standard what all martial arts striking should look like is naive.
And is there a statistic for the average number of strikes thrown before the fights are ended on a KO?
There was one MMA fight I saw on TV where there were over 200 strikes thrown by each fighter and the fight still went to the judges for a decision. I saw another where a whole bunch of strikes were thrown but the one that ended it was a punch to the solar plexus, after which Joe Rogan said "He hit him right in the solar plexus, I don't think I've ever seen that before".
Also how many of those KO's were produced because one fighter did not have his hands up or was swinging wildly and not aiming for anything in particular..
One of the reasons we in the traditional arts spend so much time working on our technique in the basics and patterns is to avoid wild unguided strikes and sloppy strikes.. That is not to say that sloppy striking only happens in MMA but to put it up as the standard what all martial arts striking should look like is naive.
Well, I have to say it made me literally laugh out loud when you suggest that it's the MMA athletes who aren't keeping their hands up... in a thread about Olympic TKD. I mean, over generalizing is usually a bad idea, but in this case it's also ironic.And is there a statistic for the average number of strikes thrown before the fights are ended on a KO?
There was one MMA fight I saw on TV where there were over 200 strikes thrown by each fighter and the fight still went to the judges for a decision. I saw another where a whole bunch of strikes were thrown but the one that ended it was a punch to the solar plexus, after which Joe Rogan said "He hit him right in the solar plexus, I don't think I've ever seen that before".
Also how many of those KO's were produced because one fighter did not have his hands up or was swinging wildly and not aiming for anything in particular..
One of the reasons we in the traditional arts spend so much time working on our technique in the basics and patterns is to avoid wild unguided strikes and sloppy strikes.. That is not to say that sloppy striking only happens in MMA but to put it up as the standard what all martial arts striking should look like is naive.
One slight flaw in your reasoning - this is the 'Shotokan for self defense' thread.Well, I have to say it made me literally laugh out loud when you suggest that it's the MMA athletes who aren't keeping their hands up... in a thread about Olympic TKD
Well, I have to say it made me literally laugh out loud when you suggest that it's the MMA athletes who aren't keeping their hands up... in a thread about Olympic TKD. I mean, over generalizing is usually a bad idea, but in this case it's also ironic.
Personally, I think you should watch some more MMA, or even better, spend a few months training in a quality MMA gym. While the athletes who compete are at different stages on the spectrum of expertise, striking in MMA is very technical. Where they're carrying their hands is usually a function of wise technique, if you're in danger of being taken to the ground, or fatigue, which happens when you fight for a really long time.
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Lol. My bad. Pre coffee. Hehe.One slight flaw in your reasoning - this is the 'Shotokan for self defense' thread.