drop bear
Sr. Grandmaster
Nice baseball swing. He can come and chop my firewood any day. Good job the bottle cant cut him back.
Yes it is a good job that sword fighting does not really happen at all any more.
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Nice baseball swing. He can come and chop my firewood any day. Good job the bottle cant cut him back.
Well I actually do regular jungle clearing. I came second in All Japan Championships so do have cutting skills Since I started some years ago I have experimented with different blades. A normal WWll gunto that are quite sharp although factory made and a nice meaty shoto that I still own and use for throwing practice. Then there are all the Filipino blades I use. The forging is crap but it has been the different shapes weights and lengths that interest me. I have and still do cut fairly large trees 5/7 cms bamboo and heavy jungle growth etc By far the best is the kukri shape that outperforms any Japanese shape. But of course the edge needs constant sharpening.
There are basically two kinds of Japanese blades forged today. In Japan we dont use the word 'katana' So you can rest assured if anyone does its either not made there or its a foreign outlet. In Japan they forge "shinken". The variation is that some are used for Iai (Iaito). And other more meaty ones are forged for test cutting (tameshigiri) and batto jutsu. These are usually half polished (han togi) as highly polished blade tends to slip as it cuts The chinese produced passable blades too. It could be advantageous for more foreign blade makers to actually use people that "know how to cut". rather than some of the butchers you see on videos. There good blades out there. Foreign makers have no restrictions as they have in Japan and can use some amazing steel and decent machinery. You get what you pay for.
Interesting. So how did the word "katana" come to be used in the western world to refer to the classic samurai sword? You say that they're called "shinken" in Japan, or that's what they forge so how did the difference in terminology come to be?
Also, Im not so sure on this but I've heard that it can be hard to bring a good Japanese sword out of the country. The Japanese consider them artifacts exclusive to their culture and as such you might have a hard time getting it past customs if you try to leave Japan with such a sword. That's what I've heard but Im not sure as to the validity of that claim.
Yes you are right on that. That's why it has become faceted into cutting objects, fencing and studying old tested techniques. Martial arts doesn't count for much either as people can and will shoot you. It's all a cultural sport like pursuit.Yes it is a good job that sword fighting does not really happen at all any more.
Yes you are right on that. That's why it has become faceted into cutting objects, fencing and studying old tested techniques. Martial arts doesn't count for much either as people can and will shoot you. It's all a cultural sport like pursuit.
My point was none of this is M.A. I guess some people just dont know the difference.And that is the thing. If phobios enjoys waving a sword around like brave heart. It is as much a legitimate pursuit as anything else really.
And he can get away with a $150 sword so long as it wont break and as much training needed to defeat a plastic bottle in mortal combat without stabbing himself.
And that is the thing. If phobios enjoys waving a sword around like brave heart. It is as much a legitimate pursuit as anything else really.
And he can get away with a $150 sword so long as it wont break and as much training needed to defeat a plastic bottle in mortal combat without stabbing himself.
By the same token, he can just get any random gun, provided the trigger won't fall off, and as much training as needed to spin the thing around his finger looking cool… but we're still not going to recommend that either.
Oh, and a $150 sword that won't have a reasonable chance of breaking, especially if he tries cutting anything reasonably solid without actual education and training? Yeah… not so much… there are two things that lead to broken blades, cheap construction and poor technique… so...
As I recall, he wanted one of the magic swords sold at the Ren Fair.
Yes you are right on that. That's why it has become faceted into cutting objects, fencing and studying old tested techniques. Martial arts doesn't count for much either as people can and will shoot you. It's all a cultural sport like pursuit.
Interesting. So how did the word "katana" come to be used in the western world to refer to the classic samurai sword?
You say that they're called "shinken" in Japan, or that's what they forge so how did the difference in terminology come to be?
Also, Im not so sure on this but I've heard that it can be hard to bring a good Japanese sword out of the country. The Japanese consider them artifacts exclusive to their culture and as such you might have a hard time getting it past customs if you try to leave Japan with such a sword. That's what I've heard but Im not sure as to the validity of that claim.
That is precisely what gun training is. Enough to not shoot someone.
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But the argument wasn't whether he could chop wood with the thing safely but whether he could kill a man with it effectively.
That is the quote.
"Nice baseball swing. He can come and chop my firewood any day. Good job the bottle cant cut him back."
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You really don't have a clue what you're talking about here, do you? Hyoho's comment was on the "technique" displayed in the clip (the guy cutting bottles)… which was, from a swordsmanship perspective, completely lacking in every sense, and ill-suited to the usage of a sword. His "technique", such as it was, resembled a base-ball bat swing far more than a competent swordsman, and would be suitable only for chopping wood (which allows you to over-commit, and more), whereas the usage of a sword requires very different mechanics and skills. His final comment of "Good job the bottle can't cut him back" is a way of saying that he would be killed if he thought he could go against an actual (living) opponent.
So no, it's not about whether he could chop wood, it's about what his technique is actually suited to. Oh, and before you say it, the fact that the very sharp sword went through the very soft material of the bottles doesn't mean that his technique isn't woeful and desperately lacking… swords cut. Easily. It's kinda what they do. And yeah, he could potentially kill a man with it… if they were tied down, and he had half an hour to hack his way through them… it wouldn't be pretty, and I'd hardly call it "effective"… but the guy would be dead at the end… of course, in a combative environment, it would be quite a different story…
The problem here is that Hyoho and I know what we're talking about… and you don't have the first clue.
Sorry there is a misunderstanding here. It is not that I don't know about swordsmanship that is the issue(which is true). it is that I don't care whether that guys technique will win a sword fight or not because nobody gets into sword fights.
We are virgins discussing sex.
You are an expert in an irrelevant pursuit. That you have never had to rely on and never will. And so if a person swings a $150 sword baseball style at a bottle he will be killing as many people in sword fights as you have with years of training and a more expensive sword.
Now I don,t look down on you pursuing any activity you want for any or no reason. But then I don't look down on photon guy or even back yard bottle cut guy either for pursuing theirs.
And if photonguy wants to pursue some sort of traditional path to swordsmanship then yes you are the expert and you can go buck wild being one.
But I am getting the impression that he doesn't and am giving him a cheaper simpler option.
Not really harsh at all. If the blades are owned by people that are qualified to use them or sell them or a collector/appraiser. Authorities never bother you and sometimes ask advice. I must have well over 500 students connected to sword arts that graduated to join police/riot squad or prison service. Even in a city of a million we all know each other.Well here is an article I found about the law in Japan regarding swords. If this is true I must say they can be quite harsh and you have many more rights in the USA.
Nihonto Kanji Pages - Japanese sword laws
Sorry there is a misunderstanding here. It is not that I don't know about swordsmanship that is the issue(which is true). it is that I don't care whether that guys technique will win a sword fight or not because nobody gets into sword fights.
We are virgins discussing sex.
You are an expert in an irrelevant pursuit. That you have never had to rely on and never will. And so if a person swings a $150 sword baseball style at a bottle he will be killing as many people in sword fights as you have with years of training and a more expensive sword.
Now I don,t look down on you pursuing any activity you want for any or no reason. But then I don't look down on photon guy or even back yard bottle cut guy either for pursuing theirs.
And if photonguy wants to pursue some sort of traditional path to swordsmanship then yes you are the expert and you can go buck wild being one.
But I am getting the impression that he doesn't and am giving him a cheaper simpler option.
Swordsmanship still has uses today its just that its uses has changed. Back in the day horses were a primary means of transportation. Now, ever since cars became widespread there is no longer any need for horses to be used to get around. People still do ride horses, equestrian is a big sport and a big pastime, but its use has changed. Now days people ride horses as a sport, a form of recreation, and a form of entertainment, so equestrian is still done in this day and age just for different reasons. By the same token traditional swordsmanship still has its uses. Chances are you are not going to ever engage in a real sword fight today but swordsmanship is a hobby, a form of exercise and physical and mental development and its a fascinating art that has deep cultural roots in the past. So people still do it today just for different reasons.
Bajo dachi? You will need a longer blade for that one! Then there arises the problem of not cutting your own horse.I don't disagree with that. I have no issue with the deep and fulfilling culture of traditional swordsmanship.
But we are getting advice from guys about horse riding who have only ever done horse stance.
Chances are you are not going to ever engage in a real sword fight today but swordsmanship is a hobby, a form of exercise and physical and mental development and its a fascinating art that has deep cultural roots in the past. So people still do it today just for different reasons.