Chris Parker
Grandmaster
Brassmeister, I'm going to be rather blunt here, and try to explain why you've received the answers you have, expected or not.
By this you mean that you were waiting for someone to come along and give some form of tacet approval of your plan? Why? If you're set on it, you don't need our permission, and if you're asking for serious advice, why would you just be waiting for someone to say what you want them to, rather than listen to everyone who say it's a bad idea with no real payoff? The less-positive answers to your query might not be what you consider "even handed", but they come from long experience and a true understanding of the reality of what we're talking about, which, to be blunt, you don't have. You know your family situation and what you want (which is honestly unrealistic the way you're approaching it), but we know what is needed for any benefit to be found... and that's not present in your post.
Hmm. How old is your youngest, then? You've mentioned that you have some daughters "at or near college age", are we talking her being 17 or 18, or are we talking 15 or 16? Or younger?
Additionally, if it's a "mixed TKD program", that's not really sounding all that good, honestly. It might be, certainly, but that type of description is typical of what are sometimes referred to as "McDojo's", which try to follow trends and fads, focus on kids and contracts, but have little of any real quality to offer. Easily digestible, but not nutritious, if you follow me.
Finally, even if her school was a high quality one, her attending doesn't mean you actually understand what is required, or how the training needs to be conducted in order to gain any real benefits. The only way you can say something like that is if you were in the class as well, and also worked your way to a black belt. At the moment, you don't actually know.
Okay, can you clarify what you have in terms of training? Your profile states "none" for primary art and ranking, what is your background? You stated in your OP that "Captain Chris'" approach gelled with what you think about self defence...
Oh, but self defence is far less about technique than it is about other things, for the record. That's probably where I'd suggest starting, honestly.
It's not just the promises of "devestating power!" and "never walk in fear again!", it's more that the entire construct and form of information presented is not what is required for actual education/training to be effective. There is no feedback, there is no allowance for personal requirements, there is no correction, there is always far too much missing (as some things that could be needed would only be picked up by an instructor watching you), and more. They just simply don't work. Then you get to the fact that most who get them don't even follow the training regime required to give it a partial chance anyway.... mainly because if they aren't interested enough to attend classes, why are they going to spend their time at home doing it anyway? If the interest isn't there, it isn't there, and no DVD will overcome that.
No martial art was designed for self defence (as it exists in the modern Western world). None. But, for the record, "Captain Chris'" approach, at least with his rhetoric, makes Krav seem positively gentle....
Then the bottom line is that if they're not interested, they're not interested. "Enlist in a real school" is the only advice at any time for people looking to get anything out of martial training, but in this case, they aren't looking for that, you're looking for it for them. They don't want it, so honestly, you should respect that. Not to tell you how to look after your girls, but trying to push them into something they don't want to do, have little interest in, and have expressed as much to you just doesn't seem like a good plan. If you force them into it by pushing them, they'll reject it, and you'll get none of the results you want. Let them come to it in their own time, in their own way. Who knows? They might meet a guy at college who's into martial arts, and come to it that way, or there might be a club at college which they join because it's what they want.
In other words, it's their lives, not yours. Your interests don't really come into it. And even if they do, your plan simply won't work for a large number of reasons.
Ha, honestly mate, I've tried to think of a comeback to that, and I'm drawing a blank! Dammit. Nicely played.....
Thanks. Yeah, I expected some of what I saw here but I wanted to wait for a more even handed response before jumping back in.
By this you mean that you were waiting for someone to come along and give some form of tacet approval of your plan? Why? If you're set on it, you don't need our permission, and if you're asking for serious advice, why would you just be waiting for someone to say what you want them to, rather than listen to everyone who say it's a bad idea with no real payoff? The less-positive answers to your query might not be what you consider "even handed", but they come from long experience and a true understanding of the reality of what we're talking about, which, to be blunt, you don't have. You know your family situation and what you want (which is honestly unrealistic the way you're approaching it), but we know what is needed for any benefit to be found... and that's not present in your post.
Just to add some more details, my youngest is a black belt (in a mixed tae kwon do program) so I well understand both what martial arts has to offer and the time and effort required to achieve those results. I'd love it if my older girls took the same interest. But they haven't.
Hmm. How old is your youngest, then? You've mentioned that you have some daughters "at or near college age", are we talking her being 17 or 18, or are we talking 15 or 16? Or younger?
Additionally, if it's a "mixed TKD program", that's not really sounding all that good, honestly. It might be, certainly, but that type of description is typical of what are sometimes referred to as "McDojo's", which try to follow trends and fads, focus on kids and contracts, but have little of any real quality to offer. Easily digestible, but not nutritious, if you follow me.
Finally, even if her school was a high quality one, her attending doesn't mean you actually understand what is required, or how the training needs to be conducted in order to gain any real benefits. The only way you can say something like that is if you were in the class as well, and also worked your way to a black belt. At the moment, you don't actually know.
Also, I've had a fair bit of training myself in unarmed and armed self defense. I've taught the older girls what I know and they took one course when they were smaller. So I do have some sense of what is essential self defense technique, what is sport and art, and what is character building. (And, no, that is not an insult to marital arts; I love that my youngest is getting all of these things and wish my older girls were.)
Okay, can you clarify what you have in terms of training? Your profile states "none" for primary art and ranking, what is your background? You stated in your OP that "Captain Chris'" approach gelled with what you think about self defence...
Oh, but self defence is far less about technique than it is about other things, for the record. That's probably where I'd suggest starting, honestly.
I also appreciate the vapid promises of DVDs and books. Though I could probably list of few books of value I've never tried self defense DVDs before.
It's not just the promises of "devestating power!" and "never walk in fear again!", it's more that the entire construct and form of information presented is not what is required for actual education/training to be effective. There is no feedback, there is no allowance for personal requirements, there is no correction, there is always far too much missing (as some things that could be needed would only be picked up by an instructor watching you), and more. They just simply don't work. Then you get to the fact that most who get them don't even follow the training regime required to give it a partial chance anyway.... mainly because if they aren't interested enough to attend classes, why are they going to spend their time at home doing it anyway? If the interest isn't there, it isn't there, and no DVD will overcome that.
What I meant by Krav Maga being overkill is that it is designed for combat. Now obviously it can be applied to self defense but that it was not designed for that. The odds of my girls being attacked by multiple assailants with knives and guns are negligable compared to a simple rape attempt by a single individual in a dark hallway.
No martial art was designed for self defence (as it exists in the modern Western world). None. But, for the record, "Captain Chris'" approach, at least with his rhetoric, makes Krav seem positively gentle....
The bottom line is that "enlist in a martial arts school" is just not useful advice at this time, as desirable as it might be to see them go. I'm unwilling to do nothing just because the older girls are unwilling to commit to a martial arts program.
Then the bottom line is that if they're not interested, they're not interested. "Enlist in a real school" is the only advice at any time for people looking to get anything out of martial training, but in this case, they aren't looking for that, you're looking for it for them. They don't want it, so honestly, you should respect that. Not to tell you how to look after your girls, but trying to push them into something they don't want to do, have little interest in, and have expressed as much to you just doesn't seem like a good plan. If you force them into it by pushing them, they'll reject it, and you'll get none of the results you want. Let them come to it in their own time, in their own way. Who knows? They might meet a guy at college who's into martial arts, and come to it that way, or there might be a club at college which they join because it's what they want.
In other words, it's their lives, not yours. Your interests don't really come into it. And even if they do, your plan simply won't work for a large number of reasons.
Suck it up Princess!
Ha, honestly mate, I've tried to think of a comeback to that, and I'm drawing a blank! Dammit. Nicely played.....