Removing the Doubt or Reluctance of Fighting

[Simfers]

Does anyone else like to fight, but don't enjoy hurting people?

Actually fighting, no. I don't enjoy that. I don't like what the adrenaline and the stress and all that does to me. It's partly why I stopped competing a very long time ago. I didn't enjoy being the me who fought.

Sparring I enjoy as high-speed puzzle solving and a test of technique. It's fun.

 

[Fungus]

Does anyone else like to fight, but don't enjoy hurting people?

I certainly don't enjoy hurting anyone. But I enjoy some pain myself. I like the challenge and hard contact, but don't want to hurt anyone. A good sparring session should be follwos by a acouple of of days of sore muscles, or I am dissapointed.

It's part of why I don't feel like like competing either. It would be a tiny bit of fun to try but as I think that if I am in the situation where I know the opponent will try to kick my head to knock me out, I would not hold back on anything. And then the value in competing to pressure test, vs the risk of actually damaging someone just in a sport gets a moral issue for me.

IMO, when I spar, a major part of the "nervousness" is that I may accidently cause permanent injury to the sparring partners. So I hold back on force and techniques that have a high risk of getting diverted to another target.

To train the no holding back on force is for the heavy bag. I am still practicing to dare let more power out. To have both power and fine control takes alot of practice I presume, a few years is nothing.

 

[Kung Fu Wang]

Does anyone else like to fight, but don't enjoy hurting people?

Fighting doesn't have to hurt people. This is the difference between the throwing art and the striking art. When you break your opponent's nose, you hurt him. When you take your opponent down gently, you don't have to hurt him.

Also, if you choke your opponent and he taped out, you can let him go without hurting him.

I certainly don't enjoy hurting anyone. But I enjoy some pain myself.

I'm the same way. When I take a punch and that punch doesn't knock me down, I know that I can take another punch next day, and that punch may also not be able to knock me down. That feeling can give me confidence. If I have not been punched for a while, I will develop the fear, and not sure next punch will knock me down or not.

I don't feel like like competing either.

I do enjoy competing. In tournament, you can test your MA skill safely. Preparing tournament also give you a short-term goal for training harder.

 

[Tony Dismukes]

Does anyone else like to fight, but don't enjoy hurting people?

Love fighting hate violence

 

[Buka]

Love fighting hate violence

That’s as well said as can be. I hate hurting people. Sometimes I think about how I’d like to do this or that, but wouldn’t. It’s why I love choking people out more than any other group of techniques in the arts.

My favorite strike, if I happen to be in the position to throw it (unlikely) is slamming a knee strike to the side of the thigh. I know it will hurt them but not seriously injured them.

 

[Kung Fu Wang]

Love fighting hate violence

Street fight has violence. Sport fight has no violence. We should talk more about sport fight instead.

A: How many people have you killed in street fight?
B: I can't tell you that online.

A: How many tournaments have you won?
B: I have won ...

 

[Wing Woo Gar]

That’s as well said as can be. I hate hurting people. Sometimes I think about how I’d like to do this or that, but wouldn’t. It’s why I love choking people out more than any other group of techniques in the arts.

My favorite strike, if I happen to be in the position to throw it (unlikely) is slamming a knee strike to the side of the thigh. I know it will hurt them but not seriously injured them.

Funny, I was teaching that to a shorter student last night, she can’t get her knee high enough to hit ribs so I had her go to the thigh instead.

 

[Kung Fu Wang]

Funny, I was teaching that to a shorter student last night, she can’t get her knee high enough to hit ribs so I had her go to the thigh instead.

It doesn't matter how short a person is. If she can jump high enough, she should still be able to kick her opponent's knee.

 

[Buka]

Funny, I was teaching that to a shorter student last night, she can’t get her knee high enough to hit ribs so I had her go to the thigh instead.

We’ve dropped a lot of people smacking them to the common peroneal.
One time, my partner and I went to break up a fight between two big guys. We were coming from opposite sides and signaled each other on the run. But we mixed up our signals and both kneed the same guy. That poor man went down so fast it was really funny. The other guy just put up his hands, but couldn’t stop laughing.

 

[Wing Woo Gar]

It doesn't matter how short a person is. If she can jump high enough, she should still be able to kick her opponent's knee.

No she was trying to horizontally knee my ribs. She is 5’0” I am 6’2”. I told her to hit my thigh if she can’t reach my ribs.

 

[Wing Woo Gar]

We’ve dropped a lot of people smacking them to the common peroneal.
One time, my partner and I went to break up a fight between two big guys. We were coming from opposite sides and signaled each other on the run. But we mixed up our signals and both kneed the same guy. That poor man went down so fast it was really funny. The other guy just put up his hands, but couldn’t stop laughing.

I do an outward horizontal heel kick to just above the knee for pain but the same kick to the medial side of the patella is the actual target outside of a gym. Some call it the Wong Fei Hung kick. I see a version of it in Muay Thai sometimes but I don’t know what they call it. When done correctly it can subluxate or even dislocate the patella to the lateral side of knee joint. It is fight ending. One of my students dislocated another of my students kneecap during a leg drag/rooting exercise.

 

[Kung Fu Wang]

No she was trying to horizontally knee my ribs. She is 5’0” I am 6’2”. I told her to hit my thigh if she can’t reach my ribs.

That comment was a joke.

I used to joke around a lot. Even my own children didn't know whether I was joking or serious most of the time.

Here is my old joke about ground fight.

Beginner training: Get a raw pig leg and sink your teeth all the way into the bone.
Intermediate training: test your biting skill against dog.
Advance training: Go to the zoo. Test your skill against lion or tiger.

 

[Fungus]

Street fight has violence. Sport fight has no violence. We should talk more about sport fight instead.

Is a follow through heel kick in the head violence? This is allowed during kyokushin fullcontact rules as part of "kyokushin sport karate".

Sure it's a sport, but serious blows to the brain is something i would avoid. Sure I can live with a broken rib, but my head is worth more than all my ribs.

 

[Kung Fu Wang]

Is a follow through heel kick in the head violence?

If no head contact is allowed, a fight will look like this. Strikers will have no chance.

 

[Fungus]

If no head contact is allowed, a fight will look like this. Strikers will have no chance.

Yes if there is no head contact at all, then it should be safe.

We have also semi-contact competitions, which is like full-contact except that kicks to the head must be controlled. Ie. you can hit, but not KO someone wit a headkick, but there is full contact to the body otherwise, you can KO with body attacks or break ribs if you want.

 

[Kung Fu Wang]

Yes if there is no head contact at all, then it should be safe.

We have also semi-contact competitions, which is like full-contact except that kicks to the head must be controlled. Ie. you can hit, but not KO someone wit a headkick, but there is full contact to the body otherwise, you can KO with body attacks or break ribs if you want.

IMO, to control a head kick is very difficult to do.

It's easy to control the punch with gloves. It's difficult to control the kick because there is no soft protection for the bottom of foot (such as side kick, or hook kick).

 

[Buka]

I have no problem with people trying to kick me in the head. But I made a promise to myself thirty years ago, you kick at my knees I’m just going to shoot you.

 

[Wing Woo Gar]

I have no problem with people trying to kick me in the head. But I made a promise to myself thirty years ago, you kick at my knees I’m just going to shoot you.

…note to self.

 

[Wing Woo Gar]

I kick knees like I eat sushi, anytime I get the chance. Leg vs leg is my favorite thing in martial arts.

 

[Kung Fu Wang]

you kick at my knees I’m just going to shoot you.

There is a training just for that.