Gnarlie
Master of Arts
Not my argument, try again.
Racism in Martial Arts
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Not my argument, try again.
If you deny that you are fulfilling some epic idea, well, then there is just no excuse. huh? 
Gnarlie
Master of Arts
If you deny that you are fulfilling some epic idea, well, then there is just no excuse. huh?
This doesn't even make sense. As I said, further use of those terms without further explanation from you is meaningless.
Not 'ruffled' at all, it's just that when you use the wrong words, ones that have accepted meanings, it makes it hard to understand what you are talking about. 'The' epic doesn't make sense unless it is that poem or saga.
What 'epic', is there a long saga/poem about TKD we can read either in Korean or English, if not there is no 'epic'.
It's not racism to say that there's only some things a 'native' of a country can understand, things like gun control in America and the arguments for and against make sense to Americans but not so much for the rest of the world because we don't live in the US, don't understand the passion for and against guns etc. We understand the argument but not the American nuances in it. There's many, many other examples of cultural differences that come up in different countries even a simple thing as sticking a thumb up or showing the soles of your feet which mean nothing to us but a lot to the people in certain countries so to say TKD has nuances for Koreans that it doesn't for the rest of us is correct, doesn't mean anyone is superior or inferior and it's not a race thing either.
Gnarlie
Master of Arts
Bingo, glad somebody sees what I mean.
Two further and more general examples of this would be:
Firstly, asian culture is often highly non-literal and indirect. Examples are often given by analogy or through demonstration of a principle.
Western culture is typically more direct and literal. The indirectness and non-literalism of eastern culture creates an obstacle that is difficult for westerners to perceive, let alone surmount.
Secondly, the idea of monism pervades eastern martial arts. Philosophies tend to address a whole picture rather than breaking it down.
Western philosophy is based on breaking down ideas into components. This makes it difficult for a westerner to understand and appreciate the monistic approach without the help of a native. We might think we understand, but our tendency to break things down will lead us down all kinds of dark alleys.
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You know, as someone that lives and co-owns a school in a region where a lot of schools are owned by teachers "straight from Korea".... this whole argument/video is based on a false premise, because people don't automatically pick the school owned by the Asian guy.
They usually pick either the school that's most convenient to them, or the school that's local and seems to provide good training/instruction. Plus some consideration for price, friendliness, and the amount of advertising the school does. Plenty of Korean teachers/school owners are amazingly skilled at the martial art they do, but aren't very good at teaching or don't demand a high standard from their students. Whether or not a non-Korean martial artist can really understand the concepts of taegeuk, etc, the way a Korean martial artist could - if the non-Korean teacher gets better results, the students will go there.
Also..... the reason Korean and Chinese martial arts teachers are often so talented at such a young age? It's not "because Asian people are better at martial arts", it's because they've trained for hours every day since they were like 5 years old. My old Korean teacher said he went to a martial arts vocational high school where they spent half the school day doing TKD. From what I've heard, serious kung fu practitioners in China and Taiwan do the same thing.
They usually pick either the school that's most convenient to them, or the school that's local and seems to provide good training/instruction. Plus some consideration for price, friendliness, and the amount of advertising the school does. Plenty of Korean teachers/school owners are amazingly skilled at the martial art they do, but aren't very good at teaching or don't demand a high standard from their students. Whether or not a non-Korean martial artist can really understand the concepts of taegeuk, etc, the way a Korean martial artist could - if the non-Korean teacher gets better results, the students will go there.
Also..... the reason Korean and Chinese martial arts teachers are often so talented at such a young age? It's not "because Asian people are better at martial arts", it's because they've trained for hours every day since they were like 5 years old. My old Korean teacher said he went to a martial arts vocational high school where they spent half the school day doing TKD. From what I've heard, serious kung fu practitioners in China and Taiwan do the same thing.
That reminds me of the story about a black belt from Korea. As he boards the plane to America, he is but a black belt, as the plane begins to take off he becomes second degree; as, the plain reaches altitudes he becomes third degree; as the plane gets closer and closer to America the rank ascends, until, finally, as the plane lands and the passengers un-board, he walks on to American soil, as a tenth degree.
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It is just motion and application. Relax, and let the Koreans worry about being better Koreans, but check it out. it could help you.
drop bear
Sr. Grandmaster
Which is also why America is better at wrestling Australia is better at swimming and does not explain England and rugby.
Gnarlie
Master of Arts
First we investigate the aspects if our art that make it uniquely Korean and how it works in the context of the culture it was born in, then we investigate the other cultures and arts that have contributed to our art, and the influences they have had. Is that a problem?
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Gnarlie
Master of Arts
Agreed... except it didn't. People everywhere have fought, and have trained their youth in fighting to protect their tribe. So where did it all come from? Wherever we humans came from. Best science to date suggests Africa. Now if anyone ( i.e. anyone of the "White" persuasion
) resents some perceived cultural/ethnic bias against their participation in a "foreign" martial art, the rise of HEMA has given an ethnically ...er ...aligned option for light skinned people of European descent. And the armor will help prevent skin cancer too! 
Except that the HEMA groups in my locale are totally ethnically diverse and welcoming to all. In fact, they are almost missionary in their evangelical zeal to get converts! As are pretty much all the martial arts clubs I know of, come to think of it. So what the heck is this thread really about anyway? I mean, has anyone, including the OP, actually found ethnic bias in the martial arts to be a problem? An occasional minor annoyance maybe... but a problem?
Yeah... So am I. Just in general. Nothing to do with this thread.
I thought you knew that story was craptastic.
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