Racism and The Democratic party

[Big Don]

Hiram R. Revels
Blanche K. Bruce
Edward W. Brooke
Hiram L. Fong
Octaviano Larrazolo
Charles Curtis
Racist republicans...

 

[Andrew Green]

Yeah, well, you'd all be speaking German now if not for us (and the BEF escaping at Dunkirk and the RAF and the Eastern front and...)!

Be fair now, the Germans had basically hit a stalemate with England. They could bomb the cities, but weren't getting anywhere towards getting a foothold on the ground. The soviets had already turned the war around by the time the US got involved, Germany was on its way to being defeated before the US got involved.


However, to get back to the subject:

The Democrats don't apologize for their blatantly racist past

I don't believe in apologizing for things beyond my control. If my great-great grandfather shot yours, either your's had it coming, or he should have apologized.

Your statement from another thread seems to conflict with what you seem to want from the party?

 

[Big Don]

Your statement from another thread seems to conflict with what you seem to want from the party?

Fine then, democrats lie about their blatantly racist past, frequently.

 

[tellner]

Every time a Democrat or a Democratic-controlled legislature issues an apology for racism or slavery the Right Wing Noise Machine cranks up the ridicule to 11. No Republican or Republican body would ever dream of it.

Before the 1940s the whole damned country was racist, Democrats, Republicans, Populists, Bull Moose, and pretty much everyone else except the Socialists and Communists. Al Smith tried to break the mold and ended up with crosses burnt at his stops because he was Catholic. William Jennings Bryan came close, but put his money on rural Pentacostalists and ended up as "a tin-pot Pope of the Coca Cola Belt." FDR started the process by extending the New Deal programs to Black as well as White areas and was roundly criticized as a traitor by, you guessed it, the Republicans.

The Republicans have been the Party of unalloyed racism from the 1940s on. They opposed every single civil rights law or Supreme Court decision from Brown vs. the Board of Education and the 1954 decision outlawing Miscegenation laws to the ERA and the Voting Rights Act. The Dixiecrats walked out because Truman (a Southerner) started to give civil rights to *shudder* Negroes and integrated the Armed Forces. Nixon's Southern Strategy which brought the South firmly into the Republican fold was based on one thing and one thing only - fear of Black people and a promise of the return of Jim Crow. Willie Horton, "Don't Vote Jew", Reagan's barely coded messages about "Welfare Queens" in Cadillacs and States Rights, Bakke, and the beat could go on for decades.

And you have the unmitigated gall to say the Democrats are to blame for racism? Have you no shame?

 

[Empty Hands]

Be fair now, the Germans had basically hit a stalemate with England. They could bomb the cities, but weren't getting anywhere towards getting a foothold on the ground. The soviets had already turned the war around by the time the US got involved, Germany was on its way to being defeated before the US got involved.

Yes, that was exactly my point. Jingoistic Americans love to spout the "Speaking German" line at Europeans, which I was parodying, and acknowledging the reality in my parenthetical comments.

 

[Andrew Green]

gotcha

Sometimes hard to read sarcasm in text

 

[grydth]

Rather than hijacking this already flawed thread, I would greatly enjoy seeing the gentlemen in Post #65 try to defend those views over at the War College.

 

[Empty Hands]

Rather than hijacking this already flawed thread, I would greatly enjoy seeing the gentlemen in Post #65 try to defend those views over at the War College.

Start a thread with your objections, and I would be happy to respond to them.

 

[grydth]

About what I expected.....

Let's see...that'd be a rather quick one way ticket off the forum for me, wouldn't it? Not just yet!

 

[Empty Hands]

About what I expected.....

Let's see...that'd be a rather quick one way ticket off the forum for me, wouldn't it? Not just yet!

Was this in response to my post? I don't understand what you are trying to say. Would you be banned for starting a thread in the War College to debate my claims about Dunkirk, the RAF and the Eastern Front?

OK then, I will start one, although it seems a bit odd to start a thread seeking challenge to my own views.

 

[elder999]

For what should be the last word on the twisted, poorly applied lack of logic that began this thread, see HERE .

 

[Twin Fist]

Not so fast

You dont SERIOUSLY believe this do ya tellner?

"Shrubus Minimus the Smirking Chimp goes AWOL and can't be bothered to actually finish duty at the cushy safe post his Daddy got him"

seriously?

 

[Twin Fist]

Not so fast

" The Republicans have been the Party of unalloyed racism from the 1940s on"

hmmm, lets see whats more racist.

"you dont need help, you are just as smart and just as capable"

"you cant do it without help, you need welfare and AA"

hmmmm

Tellner, you may be one hell of a nice guy, but your posts are just plain flat out not true too many times

 

[Big Don]

March 12, 1956 Ninety-seven Democrats in Congress condemn Supreme Court’s decision in Brown v. Board of Education, and pledge to continue segregation

June 5, 1956 Republican federal judge Frank Johnson rules in favor of Rosa Parks in decision striking down “blacks in the back of the bus” law

October 19, 1956 On campaign trail, Vice President Richard Nixon vows: “American boys and girls shall sit, side by side, at any school – public or private – with no regard paid to the color of their skin. Segregation, discrimination, and prejudice have no place in America”

November 6, 1956 African-American civil rights leaders Martin Luther King and Ralph Abernathy vote for Republican Dwight Eisenhower for President

September 9, 1957 President Dwight Eisenhower signs Republican Party’s 1957 Civil Rights Act

September 24, 1957 Sparking criticism from Democrats such as Senators John Kennedy and Lyndon Johnson, President Dwight Eisenhower deploys the 82nd Airborne Division to Little Rock, AR to force Democrat Governor Orval Faubus to integrate public schools

June 23, 1958 President Dwight Eisenhower meets with Martin Luther King and other African-American leaders to discuss plans to advance civil rights

February 4, 1959 President Eisenhower informs Republican leaders of his plan to introduce 1960 Civil Rights Act, despite staunch opposition from many Democrats

May 6, 1960 President Dwight Eisenhower signs Republicans’ Civil Rights Act of 1960, overcoming 125-hour, around-the-clock filibuster by 18 Senate Democrats

July 27, 1960 At Republican National Convention, Vice President and eventual presidential nominee Richard Nixon insists on strong civil rights plank in platform

May 2, 1963 Republicans condemn Democrat sheriff of Birmingham, AL for arresting over 2,000 African-American schoolchildren marching for their civil rights

June 1, 1963 Democrat Governor George Wallace announces defiance of court order issued by Republican federal judge Frank Johnson to integrate University of Alabama

September 29, 1963 Gov. George Wallace (D-AL) defies order by U.S. District Judge Frank Johnson, appointed by President Dwight Eisenhower, to integrate Tuskegee High School

June 9, 1964 Republicans condemn 14-hour filibuster against 1964 Civil Rights Act by U.S. Senator and former Ku Klux Klansman Robert Byrd (D-WV), who still serves in the Senate

Or, you could here and read honest history.
Or read what democrat politicians have said:

"You cannot go to a 7-11 or Dunkin Donuts unless you have a slight Indian Accent."
-Senator Joe Biden


Mahatma Gandhi "ran a gas station down in Saint Louis."

-Senator Hillary Clinton Clinton-and-Obama-Economic-Plans Mar-08


Some junior high n*gger kicked Steve's *** while he was trying to help his brothers out; junior high or sophomore in high school. Whatever it was, Steve had the n*gger down. However it was, it was Steve's fault. He had the n*gger down, he let him up. The n*gger blindsided him."

-- Roger Clinton, the President's brother on audiotape


"You'd find these potentates from down in Africa, you know, rather than eating each other, they'd just come up and get a good square meal in Geneva."
-- Fritz Hollings (D, S.C.)

"Is you their black-haired answer-mammy who be smart? Does they like how you shine their shoes, Condoleezza? Or the way you wash and park the whitey's cars?"

-- Left-wing radio host Neil Rogers

Blacks and Hispanics are "too busy eating watermelons and tacos" to learn how to read and write." -- Mike Wallace, CBS News. Source: Newsmax


Black on Black

"In the days of slavery, there were those slaves who lived on the plantation and [there] were those slaves that lived in the house. You got the privilege of living in the house if you served the master ... exactly the way the master intended to have you serve him. Colin Powell's committed to come into the house of the master. When Colin Powell dares to suggest something other than what the master wants to hear, he will be turned back out to pasture."
-- Harry Belafonte

"Republicans bring out Colin Powell and J.C. Watts because they have no program, no policy. They have no love and no joy. They'd rather take pictures with black children than feed them." -- Donna Brazile, Al Gore's Campaign Manager for the 2000 election

(On Clarence Thomas) "A handkerchief-head, chicken-and-biscuit-eating Uncle Tom." -- Spike Lee

"He's married to a white woman. He wants to be white. He wants a colorless society. He has no ethnic pride. He doesn't want to be black."

-- California State Senator Diane Watson's on Ward Connerly's interracial marriage

Rather than lauding President Bush's appointments of Powell, Rice and Gonzales, the democratic party, and its shills in the media, decreed that Powell and Rice were "Uncle Tom's", not reallyblack and not black enough.

 

[Big Don]

State's rights? How dare Reagan quote the US Constitution? What an ***!

Amendment X

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

 

[Marginal]

Or, you could here and read honest history.
Or read what democrat politicians have said:

Rather than lauding President Bush's appointments of Powell, Rice and Gonzales, the democratic party, and its shills in the media, decreed that Powell and Rice were "Uncle Tom's", not reallyblack and not black enough.

Powell's hands were tied, so he was ultimately completely ineffective. Rice allowed 9/11. Gonzales had no legal ability at all. He was just a meat sock puppet. These weren't quite the historic promotions you want to pretend they are.

 

[Big Don]

Powell's hands were tied, so he was ultimately completely ineffective.

Who tied them?

Rice allowed 9/11.

Bovine feces. That is totally unsupported by any facts

Gonzales had no legal ability at all. He was just a meat sock puppet. These weren't quite the historic promotions you want to pretend they are.

Really? Who were the first two Black Secretaries of State then? Who was the first Hispanic AG?

 

[Marginal]

Who tied them?

Bush, Cheney, Rummy...
"Here's your speech to the UN."
"This is bovine feces!"
"Yah, read it anyway."

Bovine feces. That is totally unsupported by any facts

Just those pesky internal memos.

Really? Who were the first two Black Secretaries of State then? Who was the first Hispanic AG?

It's an empty factoid.

 

[Big Don]

Just those pesky internal memos.

there is a memo about allowing 19 muslim men to hijack 4 aircraft?

It's an empty factoid.

Because you say it is? Because they aren't "black enough"?

 

[Marginal]

there is a memo about allowing 19 muslim men to hijack 4 aircraft?

She did kinda blow off a memo titled "Osama Bin Laden to attack the US."

Because you say it is? Because they aren't "black enough"?

Isn't supposed to be the conservative rallying cry that the color of one's skin isn't relevant? That capability, gumption, and bootstraps are all anyone needs?

Wacky jousting aside, Powell could've been productive, but he was undercut at every turn by The Decider. Bush simply wanted yes wo/men.