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Short, terse...exactly the kind to generate questions.loki09789 said:Let me start this out witht this statement: I am exercising my right to express my 'opinion' about this since the results have come out.
That is kind of a weak public statement.
There is a difference in intents.In the past, and yes I am referring to the lambasting that Jerome took on this forum for essentially being suspended (3 months) for sharing account information, the details of investigations and and the suspended person's (Jeromes for the example) reputations of those involved have been paraded through the internet streets as nastily as the physical bodies of those contractors in Iraq had been just recently.
The short summary is is that at this time, we can't see a policy violation.If the reasoning is to 'take the high road' and try and manage this situation with dignity, I applaud such behavior. BUT, that would mean that those Moderators, Administrators, Advisors and MT staff members who represent the embodiment of the forum rules and are diplomats of the forum owe Jerome and anyone else who has suffered less than "friendly discussion" conditions apologies for the lack of dignified behavior in the past. Otherwise it will look like unfair and inequitable enforcement of rules and conduct on the behalf of those who are in charge here - much like the behavior in among real world rulers has been questioned.
Actually, the library issue was another case.loki09789 said:What are these dynamic locations? Who were the sharing parties - isn't that a suspendable violation? Traced back to a library? So, you're talking about a computer lab environment, and didn't the parties (Tim and Keith) posting as Norshadow step up. THere were also posts from 'dynamic' locations in that case.
Kaith Rustaz said:Official Statement
"We have completed our investigation of this incident and determined there were no violations of MartialTalk policy. The Red Blade account however has been suspended until such time as the user provides the required name/location information."
Kaith Rustaz said:The opps in question basically said "wrong quote"
and that was about it.
In hindsight, if I had been doing much more than speed reading the thread to see if folks were behaving, yeah...the context might have been clearer.
Kaith Rustaz said:Tim,
Thats a bit unfair, IMHO...
Kaith Rustaz said:There is a difference in intents.
1 case was an extended series of event and self promotion, the other Q&A from a yet undetermined source.
Trust in karma.
The willingness to disclose location is up to each individual. Publically stating something other than what we have on file is not a violation.loki09789 said:This statement implies that the investigation is over, not ongoing.
I am not looking for a 'guilty' only a reasonable explanation.
You contradict yourself in answering questions because in one, you say that lying is not a violation of policy, yet in my book lying would be 'disrespectful' communication - which is a violation of the forum rules.
Its not. I said it is something that happened once (out of over 200,000 posts) to my recolection. I am looking at all options.Either from Renegade's computer or not, the post was from Renegade's account. Program error? Come on, I have not read a single post in the Admin support threads warning us that this has ever or that it was a danger.
If the issue is not software or hardware, then it would have to be 1 logging in and not logging out. That situation has happened in the past, often.If the log in was from Red Blade's own computer, they would have to log in, either automatically/manually with a personal account or intentionally access the Renegade account. How would that access be possible, unless, like you mentioned before, it was a mod/admin who had access the account and changed the password to steal the ID - but then the original account holder wouldn't have access anymore because of the new password that they don't know? That would raise some warning bells in my mind.
We are waiting on ID info.If the investigation is on going, then I will reserve comment, but from the above quote, it sounded done to me.
What Bart posted, was not what I saw when I deleted the post. As was indicated, when (I think it was Bart) said, when they went to the post it had been edited.loki09789 said:There was no quote in the post that has since been deleted. Refer to the Bart post that started this whole thing. Even speed reading, along with the 'oops' issue, the fact that Renegade was seemingly posting a response as if from Red Blade is pretty clear. What quote?
The same rules do apply.DoxN4cer said:Lets talk briefly about unfair, Bob. Now that somebody close to you, who by the way is a forum advisor and former administrator, has been implicated for breaking the rules of your e-forum. The same rules don't seem to apply as before.
I can not speak for PJ. Additionally, I am offering information and some speculation. Not apologies.I find it hard to believe that Tim had no idea that Red Blade accessed his terminal, and doesn't even know who Red Blade is. Paul martin has posed some very pertinet issues that rebuff the apologies that you and Paul Janulis have offered on behalf of Tim Hartman.
Right now, Tim has a camp going on. The instructors and some of the guests have been using the system there. The question of did Tim know say, I was using his system? Of course. Does he know if 'Red Blade" did, is a different question.Nobody logs on to my system without me knowing about it. I'm sure that's the case with your PC and that of nearly everyone - if not absolutely everyone on the forum. The explanations I've read here equate to the ramblings of a child caught with his hand in the cookie jar and still says that he didn't eat any cookies... even with crumbs and chocolate all over his lips.
Several hundred self-promoting posts make for a difference, as does a public disclosure. The Norshadow issue of which you were a key player was ripped open after a public admission of guilt by those involved. So far, we have speculation, no admission.Back to fairness... The manner in which the Norshadow business was handled was very public and handle as delicatly as a jackhammer. This issue should be as public as the last. It should be just as openly embarrassing, but then again the person in question is your teacher.
My art is Modern Arnis. The next nearest Modern Arnis accredited school is to my knowledge in Columbus Ohio and Philidelphia PA.Hey Bob, there are other martial arts instructors in WNY. You don't have to worry about pissing one of them off. You can always find another one.
Be careful on what you claim Tim. If you have proof of a cover up, then present it..otherwise, I suggest you withhold the libelous comments until the end.I hold you accountable, Bob. You created this site. You maintain it. You allow things like this to go on, and you choose to cover it up. Don't ever condescend to speak to me about what's fair.
Tim Kashino
Kaith Rustaz said:As I said initially, the conclusion is that no violation of policy has occured.
We are looking into the user issues. I don't have time to dig through several gigabytes of logs right now as I'm due at a camp in an hour.
Now, all that said, I do have to get going.
Can we please save the character assassinations until we have more information to present?
Kaith Rustaz said:This issue here is we have -1- post that appears to have been posted under the wrong name, a question of identity, A question of intent and a question of promotion.
Why was it under the wrong name?
Under research, but we see no violations of policy here.
Who is it?
Waiting on information.
Intent?
Ya got me there. No clue.
Promotion?
Tim's always been rather blunt in his promotion of events. Now, all that said, I do have to get going.
Can we please save the character assassinations until we have more information to present?
This is arnisador (Jeff Leader) posting from Mr. Hartman's account. The camp opens in two hours so I'll be brief. While I was an admin, we had a situation occur where people's posts showed up under the wrong name. It was limited in scope. We found it and Mr. Hubbard fixed it. We didn't make a big deal about it because it was limited in scope, both with respect to number of users and in time; we didn't want to broadcast difficulties and raise concern unnecessarily; and there is always the concern that someone could try to exploit it somehow (possible security issue). My recollection is that we had to fix a quote somewhere manually but that that was the only publicly visible issue after the problem was fixed on the software side. However, if someone received a mistaken notice then we wouldn't have known unless they brought it to our attention. To the best of my recollection, no one did.This is arnisador (Jeff Leader) posting from Mr. Hartman's account. The camp opens in two hours so I'll be brief. While I was an admin, we had a situation occur where people's posts showed up under the wrong name. It was limited in scope. We found it and Mr. Hubbard fixed it. We didn't make a big deal about it because it was limited in scope, both with respect to number of users and in time; we didn't want to broadcast difficulties and raise concern unnecessarily; and there is always the concern that someone could try to exploit it somehow (possible security issue). My recollection is that we had to fix a quote somewhere manually but that that was the only publicly visible issue after the problem was fixed on the software side. However, if someone received a mistaken notice then we wouldn't have known unless they brought it to our attention. To the best of my recollection, no one did.
tshadowchaser said:We have seen from the given history that Balintawak derived from another art or a combination of arts taught by varrious teachers then put togeather again as one art, so my question is are there any major arts still being taught today that have grown out of this system. (This last question is for information and knowledge only not to start anything)
Sheldon
Kaith Rustaz said:Why is it gone? Because, dumb *** that -I- am, when I saw it it basically said 'whoops' so I deleted it to keep the thread cleaner. (I usually do delete the 'opps' typs posts when I come across them) At the time, I wasn't aware of a problem.
Renegade said:This is arnisador (Jeff Leader) posting from Mr. Hartman's account. The camp opens in two hours so I'll be brief.
Kaith Rustaz said:Account Policy:
1- One account per member
2- Keep your account information private (password).
3- Purposefully violating the security of the forum or allowing someone else to use your account may result in suspension or ban.