Qi Explained

[oaktree]

I think this thread is full of a different type of Qi 屁话

 

[Touch Of Death]

The ox cart trail the same as king Solomon's temple. I think they are both lineages of masonry but don't quite know where the intercession happened between the ancient church. Chi is shown by a pot of boiling rice classically to westerners. Steaming rice makes pot lid vibrate. It was a analogy for internal strengh. The more I play with empty force the more since this makes. When you lead someone to emptyness you really don't even have to move just charge your chi in the position you are in when you make contact. I see this train of thought when I think chi it really can take all shapes of anything. The internal work or external work in martial arts is what we study that could be a coffee cup or a fist. It all has a sorce of chi and each is different. On the wholeistic side I don't know what others are thinking.

I always understood the chi of rice, was the water finding, and cell phone cleansing properties.

 

[mograph]

I think this thread is full of a different type of Qi 屁话

Indeed. (After translating.) It's enough to put you off your dim sum.

 

[Energetics]

My website.

Energetics, could you please credit the website from which you are copying and pasting your responses here?

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(Scroll down to the Chi Kung entry.)

My website, only some of it are quotes, obviously the interview is. I have a post earlier explaining this but for some reason you can't read it as it is hidden. It says that "This message is awaiting moderator approval, and is invisible to normal visitors.

 

[Energetics]

I wrote everything apart from the interview.

My teacher Tian Yingjia, son of Tian Zhoulin, adopted son of Yang Jianhou, third gatekeeper to the Yang family art. Tian Yingjia was based in Shanghai area, died age 77 in 2007. So he followed the line and teaching of the 2nd generation of Yang Jianhou and Yang Shaohou, not the more common 3rd generation teaching of Yang Chengfu. I was an appointed disciple (overseas).

Frames are beginners slow large frame, experienced fast and slow middle frame, and the family secret fast small frame which from his line has died with him. He found no one worthy to teach it to. I have only seen a small part of it.

Me, age 70, not teaching anymore, I have senior students who teach. As time goes on I find less and less interest in martial, I take far more pride in not needing it. You don't learn tai-chi you become tai-chi, so you cannot lose it. It is part of your very being.

 

[mograph]

One thing I learned from my studies of teaching and rhetoric was:
Know Your Audience.

 

[Energetics]

Well I realise that martial arts forums are mostly populated by arses. But amoungst the arses are going to be people who are interested and will listen, and maybe be motivated to look further. Not at me, I am not selling anything, I am *giving* information if people want it. AND hopefully finding like minds, I have spotted at least one in this thread.

I have tried before years ago, so trying again, to meet one gem you can communicate with is worth all the insults and eeeediots you have to tolerate.

 

[Morningstar]

Not everybody can feel Qi. Not everybody can see ghost.

One of my Taiji students when she practices Taiji, her soul can separate away from her body, float on top of her physical body, and look down on herself. I can't do that.

Another student of mine had only learned the first 8 moves of the Taiji forms. Today he is a famous Qi master and charges money for sending Qi into people's body. One day he touched my hand and told me that I had strong Qi. But I still feel nothing.

So what can I say?

Maybe you need a HUG from chi!

 

[Junior Brother]

Not everybody can feel Qi. Not everybody can see ghost.

One of my Taiji students when she practices Taiji, her soul can separate away from her body, float on top of her physical body, and look down on herself. I can't do that.

Another student of mine had only learned the first 8 moves of the Taiji forms. Today he is a famous Qi master and charges money for sending Qi into people's body. One day he touched my hand and told me that I had strong Qi. But I still feel nothing.

So what can I say?

Master Wang if you don't mind can you share basic martial arts general of practicing external qi, and how to form dantian. If you do, I will be in your debt forever.

 

[windwalker099]

look at what can be done using the concept regardless of what one thinks it is...
or is not

Some thoughts

 

[mograph]

A buddy of mine (you've met him, Xue Sheng) and his colleagues practice Yiquan. They use "qi" in phrases, or idioms, as in "I was using my qi to do that."

In my opinion, their usage is analogous to a manager's saying "we're starting from square one."

Just as it doesn't make sense to ask "where is this square? Is it next to square two? Is it in the CEO's office? The lobby? The center of the building?" it doesn't make sense to ask "what is this qi of which you speak? Where is it? Can you describe it? Which organic structure holds it?" Separated from context, it ceases to have meaning.

More training? More training.

 

[windwalker099]

More training? More training.

Some do say "more training"

When more training is mentioned, the question arises as to what type of training and what the expected outcomes are.

In Chinese martial arts, training can be classified as Internal or External, either within the same style or as a class of styles.
These classifications depend on how they express and use the "internal" aspects, which are foundational and culturally inherent in all Chinese martial arts.

 

[isshinryuronin]

"I was using my qi to do that."

I have a very basic foundational question: Is it, "using qi to do that" or is qi expressed as a result of doing "that?" In other words, is qi the cause or the effect of proper technique/breathing/attitude being in harmony?

 

[mograph]

I have a very basic foundational question: Is it, "using qi to do that" or is qi expressed as a result of doing "that?" In other words, is qi the cause or the effect of proper technique/breathing/attitude being in harmony?

Going back to my analogy, I think the question is analogous to asking which physical direction we take to get to square one.

 

[windwalker099]

I have a very basic foundational question: Is it, "using qi to do that" or is qi expressed as a result of doing "that?" In other words, is qi the cause or the effect of proper technique/breathing/attitude being in harmony?

A another way to look at it

"using qi to do that ?"

is a way of contrasting it with what can not be done by not using it.
Many teachers use this method in demos, trying to illustrate the differences as in this thread
on Qi.

"is qi the cause or the effect of proper technique/breathing/attitude being in harmony ?"

气 (Qi) is divided into two parts, postnatal (後天, hòu tiān) Qi 气 and prenatal (先天, xiān tiān) Qi 气

Chat GPT

Prenatal Qi, also known as congenital or original Qi, is the life force energy that is inherited from one's parents at the moment of conception. It's fixed can not be changed.

Postnatal Qi, also known as acquired Qi, is the energy that is acquired after birth through various means such as diet, breathing, and environmental influences. This form of Qi is considered renewable and can be continuously replenished.

Prenatal Qi serves as the foundation and supports the body's constitution.
Postnatal Qi nourishes and sustains the body, aiding in the replenishment of daily energy needs.

In one sense everyone has it, in another senes without specific training few can enhance and use it
directly.

 

[Kung Fu Wang]

Master Wang if you don't mind can you share basic martial arts general of practicing external qi, and how to form dantian. If you do, I will be in your debt forever.

You can just do the Taiji ending over and over for "accumulate Qi".

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[Same Trick]

A buddy of mine (you've met him, Xue Sheng) and his colleagues practice Yiquan. They use "qi" in phrases, or idioms, as in "I was using my qi to do that."

It’s funny how often when things like this journey to the west totally change.

I began studying Yiquan/taikiken in my native Europe and mention of Qi/Ji was not uncommon at all. When I moved to China(Beijing) and further studied Yiquan, I initially asked my teacher about Qi, and he got a little irritated and said I should not bother my mind about such, it Yi that’s important. Then at one point I asked about dantian and he got even more irritated and reminded me not to bother with such, if dantian the whole body’s a dantian.

What was it they had to use the word Qi to explain what they did ?

 

[Appledog]

It’s funny how often when things like this journey to the west totally change.

I began studying Yiquan/taikiken in my native Europe and mention of Qi/Ji was not uncommon at all. When I moved to China(Beijing) and further studied Yiquan, I initially asked my teacher about Qi, and he got a little irritated and said I should not bother my mind about such, it Yi that’s important. Then at one point I asked about dantian and he got even more irritated and reminded me not to bother with such, if dantian the whole body’s a dantian.

What was it they had to use the word Qi to explain what they did ?

Not every school uses the same ideas. To be quite honest, sometimes a breakaway student or one who did not get the proper transmission goes out on his own and figures out a great deal, and the definition and usage of words like "qi" become muddied. Others, for good reason, have decided not to talk about qi. Makes you think, maybe qi isn't as important as you think it might be -- for much longer than may appear to be reasonable.

If you want to know about qi, go to the people who have a very comprehensive and well-defined system for talking about such things. if you find a teacher that complains when you talk about qi or dantian, or has odd definitions, he can still be a very good teacher. But, it is about what you want to learn, in today's market-driven economy of choice...

Rule #1 when playing this game, if you stop making progress, find a new teacher.

 

[Same Trick]

Not every school uses the same ideas. To be quite honest, sometimes a breakaway student or one who did not get the proper transmission goes out on his own and figures out a great deal, and the definition and usage of words like "qi" become muddied. Others, for good reason, have decided not to talk about qi. Makes you think, maybe qi isn't as important as you think it might be -- for much longer than may appear to be reasonable.

If you want to know about qi, go to the people who have a very comprehensive and well-defined system for talking about such things. if you find a teacher that complains when you talk about qi or dantian, or has odd definitions, he can still be a very good teacher. But, it is about what you want to learn, in today's market-driven economy of choice...

Rule #1 when playing this game, if you stop making progress, find a new teacher.

Yiquan has very clear training methods and explanations on how, what and why, speaking of qi in the modern world of Yiquan is not relevant for understanding and progressing

 

[Gyakuto]

This explanation of Qi/Chi/Ki resonated with me