Protestants cheered when JFK was killed...

[rmcrobertson]

So November 22, 1963, I'm on a school bus--they bussed us back then, partly because we lived out in farm country and partly to keep us away from black kids--home early from sixth grade, where Mr. Pritts, the ex-Marine, had to chew out a kid for saying "Quick Draw McGraw got him," around 1 PM when the news came over the speaker from the principal's office.

The driver stopped to pick up a friend--they did that, back then--and he plopped himself down on one of the benches (busses, back then, had these benches parallel to the sides of the bus, up in front), looked at the driver, and said in a good strong voice, "Well, Phil, one of us finally got the son of a *****."

Looking back, it seems pretty clear that a lot of what this moron meant had to do with Kennedy's being a member of a racial minority (Irish...people worried about that, back then) and a religious minority...looking at the present election, I wonder if anything's really changed.

Racist idiocy clearly ain't confined to stupid rappers--and at least I considered what it means to have certain politics and to seem to need to grub up stories about, "them," before I wrote this.

 

[TonyM.]

Wow! I was in the sixth grade in a parochial school. The Nuns were all crying when they sent us home early on the buss. First time I had seen adults cry that weren't argueing.

 

[Ronald R. Harbers]

I remember the same thing happening. It was lunchtime and the announcement came over the intercom that the President had been shot. I remember some of the kids talking about how good a thing is was. Strange what you remember.

 

[Sapper6]

i suppose you are trying to imply that white conservative republican's assassinated JFK because he was an Irish minority...? you've got to be kidding me please keep in mind we are speaking of different times in our country's history, especially if you are comparing what happened in the 60's to 9/11.

Looking back, it seems pretty clear that a lot of what this moron meant had to do with Kennedy's being a member of a racial minority (Irish...people worried about that, back then) and a religious minority...looking at the present election, I wonder if anything's really changed.

i'd say alot has changed, like segregation, the cold war, and large number of other things. it's pretty funny you'd compare JFK being killed in the 60's to a post 9/11 world and the current election. perhaps you are the only one still living in that era :asian:

 

[MisterMike]

I remember a 6th grade teacher who sneared at his name because he wanted to help "them blacks."

 

[rmcrobertson]

I'm not implying a darn thing, O Sapper 6 with the death's head emblem on his avatar...hmmm. What sorts of folks have death's head emblems? I forget...oh yes. Oh dear, that WAS an implication, wasn't it?

But to return to 2004, I'm not implying a darn thing. I am a) objecting, not very subtly, to the constant fascination with what them darn black rappers are a-doing, as if it mattered; b) flat out saying that the hatred of racial minorites and religious minorites remains with us, from sea to shining sea, from Nation of Islam morons all the way through and across and around to the "militia," types up in Montana; c) stating clearly that the "different times," ain't as different as I'd like to see.

But hey, if you enjoy having your weltanschaung propped up by imagining that I'm just simply some long-hair, limp-wrist liberal a-stewing in early Bob Dylan lyrics, mazeltov. I'm not a liberal, but wotthell. (See, that's "archy and mehitabel," 1930s...guess I'm mired there too.)

So, let's see...
JFK...John F. Kerry.
Unreasonable hatred of Irish Catholic Boston politican....check.
B grade Senator running for President....check.
Wealthy family...wealthy family...check.
Ran against notoriously right-wing Republican... running against....check.
Important moment in American history...choices about colonialism....check.
War hero running vs. REMF...war hero running vs....check.

Why, no similarity whatsoever. My bad.

 

[kenpo tiger]

I was in a fifth grade classroom with 'them blacks' -- my town was integrated from the time I was in second or third grade. The assistant principal announced it by saying "Someone has shot the President. The President is dead." in a shocked voice, repeating it over and over. We all cried -- the teacher sat down and put her head on the desktop. We were all sent home soon thereafter. I cried too - JFK was a hero of mine (still is, in spite of what's now 'known' about him) because to my little mind back then he was brave, knew what he stood for, and fair to everybody. That he was Irish-Catholic never entered my mind.

Imagine if there was ever a Jewish president - a woman president - or an African-American president...

 

[Ronald R. Harbers]

Robert: I think Kerry's father is English and his mother is French. No Irish there at all. Otherwise, good.

 

[Sapper6]

I'm not implying a darn thing, O Sapper 6 with the death's head emblem on his avatar...hmmm. What sorts of folks have death's head emblems? I forget...oh yes. Oh dear, that WAS an implication, wasn't it?

But to return to 2004, I'm not implying a darn thing. I am a) objecting, not very subtly, to the constant fascination with what them darn black rappers are a-doing, as if it mattered; b) flat out saying that the hatred of racial minorites and religious minorites remains with us, from sea to shining sea, from Nation of Islam morons all the way through and across and around to the "militia," types up in Montana; c) stating clearly that the "different times," ain't as different as I'd like to see.

But hey, if you enjoy having your weltanschaung propped up by imagining that I'm just simply some long-hair, limp-wrist liberal a-stewing in early Bob Dylan lyrics, mazeltov. I'm not a liberal, but wotthell. (See, that's "archy and mehitabel," 1930s...guess I'm mired there too.)

So, let's see...
JFK...John F. Kerry.
Unreasonable hatred of Irish Catholic Boston politican....check.
B grade Senator running for President....check.
Wealthy family...wealthy family...check.
Ran against notoriously right-wing Republican... running against....check.
Important moment in American history...choices about colonialism....check.
War hero running vs. REMF...war hero running vs....check.

Why, no similarity whatsoever. My bad.

oh you like the avatar? why thanks for noticing. i dont really know where that came from, a little more off-topic ranting...lol. just in case you're wondering, it says D CO., 1st Bn., 9th SFG, Cavere Mortis Invisus. you ask what sorts of people have death head emblems...? those are the folks who wake up every morning prepared to fight to the death in the name of democracy and the United States Army Special Forces. those are the same folks who see to it that whining liberals like yourself wake up in a free country. your personal stab at me and my avatar have no basis whatsoever.

it's like a broken record with you and your replys. once you run out of original content to post, you proceed to personal attacks against people who dont agree with you.

and back to running out of original statements: the thread is JFKs assasination being condoned by protestants. do you have anything thoughtful to add aside from once again ending your post with comparing kerry to bush...?

 

[Brother John]

I wasn't aware that Catholicism is a minority.

That's one huge, powerful and influential 'minority'.

Your Brother
John

 

[rmcrobertson]

Actually there, Sparky, the thread is about Protestants cheering when JFK was killed.

Are you a member of Special Forces, and particularly of the group you mentioned? If so, you have my respect, that's for sure.

"Whining liberals." I'm actually a sorta marxist-socialist-green-party-feminist-worked-my-whole-life type, but hey, if such fantasies please you, mazeltov.

However, if you insist that you have a right to demand that everybody agree with you, that everybody salute when you decide, that everybody Adore The Bush, that everybody go along with our latest stupid little war, well, I suggest the old America, Love It Or Leave It. Try, say, Iraq...good strong religious values, none of this shilly-shallying from limp-wristed libs and girls there...or North Korea! there's a country where the Maximum Leader gets respect, and so does a soldier.

As for this thread, well, what were your comments about the story I told? I forget...musta missed them. OH yes....claimed that was then, this was now? Ah, I see....hm. Remarkable.

 

[Sapper6]

I wasn't aware that Catholicism is a minority.

That's one huge, powerful and influential 'minority'.

Your Brother
John

i would have to agree there, i know more Catholics than i do Baptists :ultracool

 

[Sapper6]

However, if you insist that you have a right to demand that everybody agree with you, that everybody salute when you decide, that everybody Adore The Bush, that everybody go along with our latest stupid little war, well, I suggest the old America, Love It Or Leave It. Try, say, Iraq...good strong religious values, none of this shilly-shallying from limp-wristed libs and girls there...or North Korea! there's a country where the Maximum Leader gets respect, and so does a soldier.

of course we cant all agree, that what makes our country so damn exciting :ultracool . we'll never get along :idunno: .

but to say "all" protestants cheered the death of JFK; c'mon man. maybe a few, but who knows. thats like saying that rapper KRS-ONE speaks for all afro-americans in respect to 9/11. blanket statements just dont make sense, and never will :asian:

 

[raedyn]

Regaurding if Catholics are a minority: According to the Catholic News Service (see the full article);
"The U.S. Catholic population at the start of 2004, was 67,259,768 -- an increase of some 850,000 over the 66,407,702 reported in 2003. Catholics continue to make up 23 percent of the total U.S. population."

23% of the American population would make Catholics a minority.

And although different states have varying concentations of Catholics in their midst, this map shows that Catholics are only a majority in Rhode island. (63.12%).

 

[raedyn]

In Vatican City, of course, 100% of it's 850(ish) residents are Catholic. Fair to say they're in the majority in that country.

 

[Nightingale]

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Keep it cool, or I'm locking it.

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[Sapper6]

i thought it cooled down a long time ago :uhyeah:

:idunno:

 

[Bob Hubbard]

We had some reports come in. Better a warning now, that having it spiral out of control and vacations be awarded. Too much paperwork, y'know.

 

[Sapper6]

hey that's cool dad

nothing but a friendly discussion of disagreeing here, right Robert?

kinda reminds me, remember as a kid you'd be back in the bedroom beating the crap out of your little brother and mom would walk in unexpectedly; as you're secretly twisting your little brother's arm you casually say, "oh, we're just playing mom, everything is fine here."

almost forgot, would that be a paid vacation...? :uhyeah:

 

[Bob Hubbard]

Naw. I didn't get paid on mine either though. LOL!