Kreth said:Because some "teachers" have an image to maintain in front of their students at all costs...
I feel another rant coming on............
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Kreth said:Because some "teachers" have an image to maintain in front of their students at all costs...
Fluffy said:Belts on the floor............you worked a good part of your life to earn a black belt, and you toos it on the floor at the end of the day.......just bugs me.
-Fluff
Fluffy said:Belts on the floor............you worked a good part of your life to earn a black belt, and you toos it on the floor at the end of the day.......just bugs me.
-Fluff
Deaf said:Why? A belt is just a belt. The "don't let your belt touch the floor" or the "don't wash your belt" mentality is something that I fail to understand but that is a thread in of itself.
In the Bujinkan, a belt simply helps you hold your sword(s) in place or allows you to choke the crap outta someone!
Technopunk said:and all it means is that your a more advanced student, not a master.
Well, I've never trained in Japan, unfortunately, but ... the belt thing ... if I may ask ....Technopunk said:I dunno man... IMO belt is there to hold your jacket closed, or to hang your sword from, its a tool, not a "trophy". But then again, in the 'Kan, unlike some other arts, a BB isnt what you aspire to... and all it means is that your a more advanced student, not a master.
shesulsa said:Well, I've never trained in Japan, unfortunately, but ... the belt thing ... if I may ask ....
Is this a Bujinkan thing specifically? I didn't aspire to be a black belt either, but I have one and though it only holds my pants up, I treat it with honor as a symbol of what my teachers think of me, the work I put in, etcetera. Like, I don't leave my wedding band on the floor of the bathroom or in the soapdish because it's my wedding band. I didn't get married for the ring, but it's an important symbol.
So, are you saying this is a Booj thing, then?
Fluffy said:K, if you think so. It's as immportant to me as a flag is to a soldier - which I am as well. It's a representation of the physical and mental aspects of traditional martial arts..........in the Army we do not use the bayonet, but we train with it, we clean it, we carry it around, but I will never use it in hand to hand combat. It's ceremonial, and respected for it meaning.......like a Black Belt (or yes, my Masters belt) in TKD.
shesulsa said:To be very specific, do Bujinkan folk follow any particular ettiquette or protocol regarding the obi? Is this a school-by-school thing? Is this a Hatsumi Sensei thing? Japanese vs. American thing? More specifics, please.
Also, thank you all for being tolerant of a non-ninjutsu person breaking in on the discussion at hand. :asian:
shesulsa said:Well, I've never trained in Japan, unfortunately, but ... the belt thing ... if I may ask ....
Is this a Bujinkan thing specifically? I didn't aspire to be a black belt either, but I have one and though it only holds my pants up, I treat it with honor as a symbol of what my teachers think of me, the work I put in, etcetera. Like, I don't leave my wedding band on the floor of the bathroom or in the soapdish because it's my wedding band. I didn't get married for the ring, but it's an important symbol.
So, are you saying this is a Booj thing, then?
Technopunk said:Oh, and FWIW, when I was in the army (11b) we were taught to USE our bayonet... it was called RBFT... so respectfully... that it is nothing more than a symbol is um...
shesulsa said:Well, I've never trained in Japan, unfortunately, but ... the belt thing ... if I may ask ....
Is this a Bujinkan thing specifically? I didn't aspire to be a black belt either, but I have one and though it only holds my pants up, I treat it with honor as a symbol of what my teachers think of me, the work I put in, etcetera. Like, I don't leave my wedding band on the floor of the bathroom or in the soapdish because it's my wedding band. I didn't get married for the ring, but it's an important symbol.
So, are you saying this is a Booj thing, then?
tshadowchaser said:Not being part of that organization i can not answer how important a belt is ....If it is the custom to fold a uniform on the floor then ..... I believe some of the sword arts may do the same or something similar.
Technopunk said:Well, all I can say is thats the difference in the arts. If you keep in mind that the Bujinkan doesnt have "belt ranks" you could start to see where the "idolization" of the Belt doesnt really come into play in our art... and as other here will be quick to point out as well, rank in the bujinkan isnt... um, the same as other arts. For example, in TKD rank is "athoritatve" and a 1st degree BB is "above" a brown belt. In the Buj, a 1st dan doesnt neccessarily have authority over, say, a first kyu. And in the Buj, a blackbelt doesnt indicate a "masters" rank, or even grant you athority to teach... so they dont hold the same "symbolism" as other arts put on them.