David43515
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Off topic -- but what the hell? You leasing or buying?
Actually, not as of topic as one might think.
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Off topic -- but what the hell? You leasing or buying?
I had a debate with Evil Sandan over it a bunch of times. He had used escort service
and yes he was married when he did it so he cheated on his wife
Generally, when prostitution is legal, the women are much better protected and work in a much safer environment. Their job will become more respectable and comes out of the criminal influence sphere. And they'll pay taxes. And because it is legal, prices will go down due to increased competition (which is good for clients).
Everybody wins.
And -perhaps- this is the only way for some women to make real money.
Don’t kid yourself men and women both use escort services.
I've talked to a few escorts. All of them said the same thing, this is their choice, the money is a lot better than what they could make flipping a burger and they were picky over who they saw. (Note, I've never used a service professional's services and most likely never will. These were also models/dancers who I talked with at meets).
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This bit is not 'wrong'.
SHOTGUN!!!!!!!!Road trip.
But it is a choice. In some cases they do turn don "traditional" jobs for sex jobs that pay more.Then it isnt a choice. It is the illusion of having a choice. If you have to take the sex job because thats the only way you can make good money that isnt choice. Give her the option of the nice job that pays good money or, the sex job that pays good money. and if she still chooses the escort job, THAT would be a choice.
http://www.missingpeople.net/do_some_women_really_choose-june_9,_2002.htmAfter the triage, the relentlessly cheerful Ms. Sandrelli smiles and shrugs. Working at the centre, run by a group of ex-prostitutes called Prostitution Alternatives Counselling and Education (PACE), means "14 hour days," she says.
"It's endless." In this neighbourhood, hookers work around the clock. The homeless shuffle about. Addicts shoot up in a park across the street, leaving needles scattered like dead leaves.
If anyone should want prostitution wiped out, it is the women here. But far from wanting it eradicated, the women of PACE want it legalized. More than that, Ms. Sandrelli says with bubbly enthusiasm, "we have to honour and respect sex work."
That opinion may be shocking given the context. To understand it, says Char LaFontaine, a middle-aged former prostitute who is now a housing co-ordinator and outreach worker with PACE, a line has to be drawn between "survival sex" and prostitution.
"Somebody who is in prostitution has a right to refuse a date. Women in survival sex don't have the same rights." A pimp, a drug habit or extreme poverty can leave women with no option but prostitution: That's survival sex. Almost all of the prostitution in the downtown east side, she says, is survival sex.
But prostitution is different, Ms. LaFontaine insists. It's a choice.
"There's women that are in prostitution to put themselves through university. There's women in prostitution to buy a house and it's just a faster way to make good money. But again, those women have the right of refusal," says Ms. LaFontaine.
Male prostitutes/escorts also exist, and in growing numbers. Do you feel the same way about them? I mean, exploited or sexualized.I'll say again, I have doubts about the people who are into that type of thing saying it is a real choice and there is not exploitation going on. Of course they wouldn't wanna see anything wrong in it! They don't wanna see anything wrong in it! Same as I would have the doubts about men saying it, and I'll say again, the people who typed in here are men.
People who do prostitution to go through university are being used and exploited. They havent got a real choice. Either its that or working at mcdonalds which wouldnt pay off the student loan. And its notable that the jobs that give women the big bucks, like the prostitutions, are often the ones which reinforce female stereotypes or sexualize women in some way.
Look, I admit, I'm a man. Least last time I checked when it was warmer, could be different today, I dunno.I'll say again, I have doubts about the people who are into that type of thing saying it is a real choice and there is not exploitation going on. Of course they wouldn't wanna see anything wrong in it! They don't wanna see anything wrong in it! Same as I would have the doubts about men saying it, and I'll say again, the people who typed in here are men.
People who do prostitution to go through university are being used and exploited. They havent got a real choice. Either its that or working at mcdonalds which wouldnt pay off the student loan. And its notable that the jobs that give women the big bucks, like the prostitutions, are often the ones which reinforce female stereotypes or sexualize women in some way.
Let's work on a basic premise here:I am not arguing that the person who sells their body should be prosecuted. I'm saying the pimp and the trick.
And one doesnt necessarily have to have a gun to their head or be locked in a room before you can say they are not freely choosing things.
Then it isnt a choice. It is the illusion of having a choice. If you have to take the sex job because thats the only way you can make good money that isnt choice. Give her the option of the nice job that pays good money or, the sex job that pays good money. and if she still chooses the escort job, THAT would be a choice.
Its considered morally wrong by most of the world. In fact, it can also give an insight into people's character, for example how they see women or people in general.
Let's work on a basic premise here:
Do you believe, under any circumstances, that a person can willingly and without coercion become a prostitute?
I have also known university students who did stuff like prostitution/stripping etc and they said it wasnt anything they chose to do but they couldnt pay their high tuition if they just flipped burgers. What kind of a 'choice' is that?
I think, what needs to be done instead of this legalization thing, is to give people access to the kinds of job money and job hours they need so they wouldnt have to do this kind of work like prostitution.
without knowing what their job is, it's difficult to make that judgment.Sure. If they have access to jobs that'll give them the good pay and working hours they need (time for studies like Bob said and money to help them get through school) where they wouldn't have to supplement their earnings with this degrading work, if they really didnt need this but choose it anyways, then yes. They chose it.
But if you look at it, as I said to the sandan, he thought of the escort service people as choosing their jobs. Not really, when I asked him about the salary/job hours at their other job and he admitted it was crap. Not much of a choice they made.
Good for you.Industries like this see, they love university students (who need the money, else they most likely wouldnt do this kind of work most of them) Some years ago a club (Sirens I believe) advertised on the back of our university students agenda books something like 'two women preforming' something like that. Our students' union collected all the books with the university population's help and that advertising was banned as exploitation and degradation of women.
The last thing we need in this country is yet another entitlement program. It's not society's responsibility to put everyone to work. Prostitution to pay tuition is a choice, don't kid yourself. There are other options such as student loans at both the federal and provincial level that a job can enhance. I did a few things that I wasn't proud of for supplementary income during college, but none of them involved removing my clothes.I have also known university students who did stuff like prostitution/stripping etc and they said it wasnt anything they chose to do but they couldnt pay their high tuition if they just flipped burgers. What kind of a 'choice' is that?
I think, what needs to be done instead of this legalization thing, is to give people access to the kinds of job money and job hours they need so they wouldnt have to do this kind of work like prostitution.
Yes. Sure. We all want that. Good money for decent hours and good benefits.
But that doesn't happen, now does it?
Who is supposed to give us those job? Santa?
So if that doesn't happen, we all have to get through life as best as we can.