Bujingodai said:
Don in the short of it, piss off will you.
How nice, 'PISS OFF." You really show what you are made of by statements like that.
You may note that I did not single out any person at first, but merely pointed out that none of the 'neo ninja' masters came close to even my level of experience. But look at post #21 in this thread and you see that you talked about yourself as one worthy of respect by my standards. After that, you opened yourself up to comparison and you do not like it that all that facts show you to be less than worthy.
Here is some advice, if you
really do not want to deal with something anymore, stop posting. Just stop posting at all. Whatever you do, don't post some new argument, a statement that you are not going to post anymore and then try to intimidate the other side into not responding to your new arguments. That is a a tactic to try to get in the last word known as a
weasel fart. And you have stated several times in this thread that you were done with the matter, only to come back when your attempts at getting the last word didn't work.
And let us face it, you can yell all you want about things, but the facts are the facts. You may be the most honest 'neo ninjer' I have run across, but you have never gotten to a level that would allow you to teach Bujinkan and yet you have students and more than one dojo under you. You can say all you want about how some Bujinkan teachers are not really all that good, but if you failed to reach a point where you could teach as well, what does that say about you?
It is the way neo ninjers go on the attack like you have instead of being able to stand on their own merits that cause me to pause. The way you felt in neccesary to bring down the Bujinkan instead of showing us how all the guys who declare themselves ninja master like yourself in relaly troubling. You are not qualified to teach a Japanese ninjutsu style, and so you seem to find a need to attack those systems for not recognizing you as you feel you should be treated.
Let us take a look at some of the people going to this real neo ninjer summit you are having.
Jackson Wagner= claims to have been trained in a Japanese tradition by a Japanese teacher but there is no mention of that Japanese tradition in Japan and no proof that his teacher ever existed. And the certificate he tried to pass off as proof was passed around the Japanese- fluent members of e-budo because of all the humerous value that badly faked fradulant piece held. Just one of the problems was that it was supposably issued by the "Heavenly Dog Association" and there are many, many other problems that caused a lot of mirth among people that could read Japanese.
Godaishin= I really do not know this guy, but I doubt he meets the very low level of drive and experience I set out as a challenge. All I can really tell is that he joins a lot of ninjer orginizations to build up his resume and does not mind being counted alongside Ashida Kim if it is in his best interest.
Nindo ryu= Oh Gawd were do I start? Do you know just how many times this group and its founder has made claims only to not be able to back it up and resort to conspiracy theories to try to cover itself? The founder was born on 9-13-1958 and founded his own ninja style in 1980. Do the friggin math. And did he have any training in a legitimate ninjutsu style before setting up his own system? Are you kidding? A few years after he started up as a ninja system head he went to a total of two seminars under Tetsuya Higuchi and pointed to that for a full two decades as his link to legitimate ninjutsu experience. But when he was told that Higuchi was not a Bujinkan teacher as he claimed and presented with proof his orginization tried to spin a conspiracy theory to explain away the denials by Hatsumi. They tried to portray Hatsumi as someone who would lie to cover their own claims up. And that is not the only case. They used to claim that their founder was offered an eighth dan in Bujinkan but turned it down. But only Hatsumi can give out eighth dans and the founder (Carlos Febres) had never been in the same state as Hatsumi. No one has ever backed up their claim for this and they instead floated the rumor that Hatsumi really did make the offer through another person for deniabilities sake. And I am not mentioning the time they tried to frame a Bujinkan member for assault or the way they tried to present an honorary rank from the Genbukan as the real thing.
These are only the groups for this neo ninja training camp you are having that I am aware of, and all that I have heard so far points to them being a great big joke. You say that there are bad teachers in the Bujinkan and I agree since that is the case with all martial arts styles. But for the amount of money you are spending to fly down to this thing to strut around and teach, you could be going to skilled teachers like Bill Atkins, Papa- san, Jack Hoban or others.
But I guess you would rather hang around with people who lie about their training and set themselves up as masters instead of going to skilled teachers of legitimate Japanese ninjutsu. Go ahead and make further insults and excuses, it is a fact that you are not spending your money to go to Japan or other good teachers of Bujinkan but rather using it to go to a place to hang out with people that lie about what they are. And even though I have always treated you fairly, I have never understood why you would do so instead of doing the honest thing and putting your own studies above your being seen as a teacher.
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