Need more advice in cane fight practice

[Blindside]

Thanks for sharing the video. I appreciated it. Going to by my side view mirrors so I won't be blindsided ha ha ha. In reference to the technique that you showed in the video. Does the shoulder get locked from that position? It just looks like a long effort to pull the arm out while the stick is at the neck. I'm curious to know it that shoulder or arm naturally gets locked somewhere during the struggle.

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Not on the one I showed there. Tuhon Bill here shows two lock variations depending on the depth of the overwrap.

 

[Ivan]

Footwork isn't simple. Ask @Ivan how much hard work he had to put into his "simple footwork" Many of us have watched him develop over the last few years and he's still working on it. And the truth is, he'll always be working on it. Just like everyone else.

If you want to play tennis then you can't ignore the footwork.
If you want to play basketball then you can't ignore the footwork
If you want to dance, then you can't ignore the footwork.

Fighting and self-defense is no different unless you no longer have the use of your legs or feet.

Yeah, pretty much. I am passionate about all martial arts, but I love boxing more than most right now, because I feel that it’s strict ruleset allowed it to develop the most eloquent and efficient footwork of all martial arts.

I don’t think I will ever have perfect boxing footwork or that anyone has ever attained it; it can always be faster, better, smoother… It’s no easy journey and practice for it is needed daily.

 

[JowGaWolf]

If I had gone with my cane it would have been a very different story. Large knive vs. cane. Can you use it as forearm protection, instead of just swinging?

It would have been a different story. I'm just glad that the blade was dull and from the looks of your wounds, it looks like the person was hacking at you and not doing "cutting" swings.

The difference is that cutting swings worked like paper. Paper doesn't cut until that edge sides across the surface. Or you can think of cutting a steak. If we want to cut the steak, we slide the blade across th


Depending on how thick your clothing was, it could have been pretty bad. Even a dull blade will cut. It doesn't chop well but it cuts. Did the blade hit the bone of your forearm?

 

[drop bear]

Not on the one I showed there. Tuhon Bill here shows two lock variations depending on the depth of the overwrap.

The reason I mention the overwrap is they don't have to be trained in stick to do it. They just have to want you to stop hitting them with it.

 

[JowGaWolf]

Not on the one I showed there. Tuhon Bill here shows two lock variations depending on the depth of the overwrap.

Oh man. I'm loving that second technique and how it hooks. I want to experience that one.

 

[Blindside]

Oh man. I'm loving that second technique and how it hooks. I want to experience that one.
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That is probably the source of where the Fang Choke came from:

 

[lklawson]

The reason I mention the overwrap is they don't have to be trained in stick to do it. They just have to want you to stop hitting them with it.

Winding over the arm is practically instinctive.

mark 4:44 or so:

Peace favor your sword,
Kirk

 

[Rich Parsons]

I was not so much thinking what I can do, what you can do. But more of a situation a novice cane fighter might find himself in while fighting a ruffian.

Everyone I have seen in sick fights kind of tries to overhook the weapon or rush the guy. Especially if they are getting hit.

And from there they can take the stick off you. They basically twist and it can come out of your hand.

Getting the clinch and pushing the stick through for the underhook should slow that process down though.

Without needing a whole bunch of specialised training to pull off.

As Master Ken Says, It is BS, just hit them with the stick it is that easy

Yes, An underhook is nice. I like to hook and squeeze.

Yet, every time someone charged me they either dodged / avoided range or took it and ate the dirt.
No recent data, most of it was when I was a N00B who had little to know training at all.

With intent and a force multiple it helps a lot.
I am not saying grappling doesn't work. IT does.
I am not saying no one can take me down, it happens and will happen again.

But, I am saying if you truly are trying to hurt me, and you enter that zone, you (generic) had better be prepared for the worst.
That intent is not there for most people, and some will never have it. Some learn it over time.

 

[Kung Fu Wang]

If I can use my cane to knock out Mike Tyson, does that mean I have good MA skill?

One thing that I don't understand about this thread is, the OP seems to train how to use a cane to fight against someone who is open hand (no weapon).

I can understand that you train how to fight

- open hand against open hand.
- weapon against weapon.

But to train "weapon against open hand" just make no logic sense to me.

Do people train how to use "Guan Dao to fight against boxer"? If the answer is yes, why?

Am I the only person who has logic issue here?

 

[Blindside]

If I can use my cane to knock out Mike Tyson, does that mean I have good MA skill?

One thing that I don't understand about this thread is, the OP seems to train how to use a cane to fight against someone who is open hand (no weapon).

I can understand that you train how to fight

- open hand against open hand.
- weapon against weapon.

But to train "weapon against open hand" just make no logic sense to me.

Do people train how to use "Guan Dao to fight against boxer"? If the answer is yes, why?

Am I the only person who has logic issue here?

Nope, I have no problem with it. He is training to use a force multiplier to make of for loss of attributes due to age. It makes perfect sense.

 

[Oily Dragon]

Nope, I have no problem with it. He is training to use a force multiplier to make of for loss of attributes due to age. It makes perfect sense.

Exactly! That's why he should investigate longer sticks.

There is only one thing more intimidating than an old man with a cane: and old man with a gun.

 

[Blindside]

Exactly! That's why he should investigate longer sticks.

There is only one thing more intimidating than an old man with a cane: and old man with a gun.

I am pretty sure he has one of those too. A big stick just gives you options.

 

[Oily Dragon]

I am pretty sure he has one of those too. A big stick just gives you options.

All true radii are cubic, good buddy.

In some parts of the world, they call it the "cudgel fist".

 

[JowGaWolf]

Do people train how to use "Guan Dao to fight against boxer"? If the answer is yes, why?

Am I the only person who has logic issue here?

I only have this logic with certain weapons. Sticks are the exception because they don't guarantee you'll win a fight. If see a few videos of street fights where someone had a stick, got into a fight. The other guy took his stick and beat him with his own stick.

I recently showed a video of a 60 year old lady with a cane. She didn't know how to use it to defend herself. Some teens attacked her, took her cane, and beat her with her own cane.

Even if it's a staff. if a person doesn't know how to use the staff then I would be able to take that staff away from them, and then beat them with their own staff. Blades aren't so forgiving. Where I can take a hit from a stick or a staff. I don't want to willingly take a slash or a stab from a knife in hopes that I'll be able to take the weapon away from them.

The story of old ladies who defend themselves with canes are probably because the criminal didn't want to beat them to death with the cane. I say that because the criminals who do want to beat someone to death usually have no problem with taking the cane and doing so.

You have to keep in mind. That with CMA you aren't just taking a 3 week course on how to use a stick, cane, or staff. I've been swinging a staff for more than 10 years vs a person who only has 4 months of swinging a cane?

Me with a cane against someone without a weapon would be like me doing a form lol.

 

[Kung Fu Wang]

Sticks are the exception because they don't guarantee you'll win a fight.

One may pick up the wrong weapon for him.

I have 2 hiking sticks both have sword in it. If I can use it to deal with mountain lion, I should be able to use it to deal with human being.

My dad used to have a walking cane that can shot bullet.

 

[Dirty Dog]

One may pick up the wrong weapon for him.

I have 2 hiking sticks both have sword in it. If I can use it to deal with mountain lion, I should be able to use it to deal with human being.

What makes you think you can use it to deal with a mountain lion?

 

[dvcochran]

If I can use my cane to knock out Mike Tyson, does that mean I have good MA skill?

One thing that I don't understand about this thread is, the OP seems to train how to use a cane to fight against someone who is open hand (no weapon).

I can understand that you train how to fight

- open hand against open hand.
- weapon against weapon.

But to train "weapon against open hand" just make no logic sense to me.

Do people train how to use "Guan Dao to fight against boxer"? If the answer is yes, why?

Am I the only person who has logic issue here?

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That would be classic military strategy. The power with the most weapons usually wins the war.

 

[dvcochran]

One may pick up the wrong weapon for him.

I have 2 hiking sticks both have sword in it. If I can use it to deal with mountain lion, I should be able to use it to deal with human being.

My dad used to have a walking cane that can shot bullet.

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Now, that is my kind of sword.
Single shot? Against a mountain lion I would say you may be in trouble.

 

[lklawson]

One may pick up the wrong weapon for him.

I have 2 hiking sticks both have sword in it. If I can use it to deal with mountain lion, I should be able to use it to deal with human being.

My dad used to have a walking cane that can shot bullet.

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Both are subject to local and federal laws.* "Sword-sticks" are frequently regulated by the state, or even city/county (last I checked they were illegal to carry in Ohio).

Cane guns are also frequently regulated by state law but are also subject to NFA regulations.

Peace favor your sword,
Kirk


*-In the U.S.

 

[Kung Fu Wang]

Both are subject to local and federal laws.* "Sword-sticks" are frequently regulated by the state, or even city/county (last I checked they were illegal to carry in Ohio).

Cane guns are also frequently regulated by state law but are also subject to NFA regulations.

I assume this is illegal too.