My question still stands, as it appears to me that you have chosen to evade it rather than answer it. You stated earlier that you had two, then six, then 25 videos that apply to the four movements to the right. Let me try pinning you down one more time. Do all 25 videos pertain to the movements to the right, at the beginning. Not at the beginning "and so on." Just at the beginning.
If you won't answer that, how about answering this. Please tell me how the video labeled 646KB applies to this movement. (It is at the bottom corner before the Oyata videos.) For our readers, let me describe this part of my Easter egg hunt. (Let's say that here I looked under the bed and found none.) It begins with the attacker sitting on the ground, the defender squatting behind with a choke and then raising up with his right elbow rising vigorously upward, as he raised his mass into a stance. The right hand of the "rising elbow" winds up near the defenders own ear. The defender then demonstrates the rise again into a forward stance, followed by an outward block/downward block combo found in all the naihanchis, followed by another move into another forward stance.
Help me to understand why this isn't an Easter egg hunt when you ask me to look at 25 videos to find what you originally said was in two, then six, then 25. How about another request? Instead of my looking at all 25 again, how about if you would actually tell me which of the 25 have the leg-crossover movement. One leg steps over the other and then the second leg steps out? Could you do just that? Or will you claim it is in all of them.
Perhaps I am completely misunderstanding the situation here. When I asked you to verify your statements, you could not give a straight answer, but merely a discussion of why those four movements shouldn't be considered as sequential, although that is the way they are found in the kata.
I am familiar with the alphabet soup approach to kata taught by Master Oyata. It is a fine approach. But it too is limiting.
It is not the ONLY approach, it is but one approach. You are simply incorrect in your following claim.
Just as ABCDEF......doesn't spell anything and has no meaning, kata too has no meaning if you think of the moves as merely ABCDEF or as I have stated above first A technique then B technique and so on.
I have recently completed a lengthy description of ABCDEFGHI as it applies to Naihanchi shodan. (Or some would argue BCDEFGHIJ, as I left off the beginning.) This combination has very high fidelity to the sequential movements in the kata. It builds methodically, and overall is a devastating counter attack to an attack of a right grab of the right wrist. It starts with difficult combination, (wrist look, sweep) that together can lower vital targets into striking range. Then it follows with two good counters. The technique goes on, with the sequential movements of the kata.
You state:
So this is why when you say "Two steps, two hand motions" it is like saying "punch".........that's it? What comes next? One punch by itself is not really a complete technique. So this is why when you say "Two steps, two hand motions" it is like saying "punch".........that's it? What comes next?
One punch by itself is not really a complete technique. .
When I say two steps and two hand motions, that is exactly what I mean. It is not "like" anything other than that. It is very literal. It is from the kata. It is two steps and two hand motions. I could approach this aspect of your argument in any number of ways, but I have learned pinning you down is not straightforward. You state "what comes next?" If I replied that it was the next movement of the kata, would it make difference? If I replied "I don't care what comes next, the whole point of this thread, up to now, was to share these four movements", would that make a difference?
You are still left with statements that are difficult to support. You have stated that all 25 videos cover the opening four movements. Just think for a moment about this remarkable claim. If we are to count individual hand and foot motions separately, we get to four in the first direction. In the opposite direction, four are similar (the steps and the final two movements, but of course, they are not together and therefore the "combination is different.). To the left are 8 additional hand motions and two sweeps with the feet. And coming back to the right this is repeated. What are the odds that all 25 would apply to such a small percentage of the kata? Do all 25 apply equally to all aspects of the kata or just the movements to the right?
I have provided just what you say can't be done namely, ABCDEFGHI. I provided lot's of pointers on how the motions are faithful to the kata. Here are a few others.
In the first strike, the attacker's neck is pulled into the right ridge hand, as your left hand is returned to chamber to load for the next technique, and still holding on to the attackers wrist. This can be a wrist lock, but it is not critical. The second strike is among the most powerful techniques we can do with our arms, an elbow to the head, with the hand on the outside of the head, restricting it's ability to "bob" to your right. The right hand actually pulls the head into the left elbow strike. With that done, a very effective takedown is found in the direct movements of the kata. The only real difference is that the hands move more together than separate, which in essence says the right hand follows very, very quickly, as we should expect in combat.
I then use the direct step over, and the raised left leg found in Shotokan Tekki to launch a devasting finishing technique to the head of dazed opponent. And, please note, that I have inserted this opponent, potentially, into the path of another opponent.
This may seem like a difficult combination. It certainly is to those that have not practiced Naihanchi Shodan extensively. For those that have a few thousand repetitions under their belt, it works well. To those that have the 10,000 reps that Kentsu Yabu claims you need to make a kata your own (plus plenty of partner work and bag/makiwara to make the techniques strong), this is easy to do effectively, without thinking.
I have a couple of hundred such movements, over 150 alone from the five kata I practice. I only use the sequential movements of kata and have a takedown in EVERY one.
In one sense, I find your lack of understanding of the incredible effectiveness of the sequential movements in kata rather surprising. Your posts to this and other threads indicate a real knowledge of the art and its history. On the other hand, it helps to explain your inability to appreciate this forum as an effective mechanism to communicate technique.
I can see how you would have great difficulty describing some of the movements in those videos. How do you describe GABD to someone who has only practiced ABC and BCD and DEF and EFG. There is no common frame of reference. You bet the Internet is a lousy medium if you were trying to describe Oyata's movements found on those videos.
I am taking a completely different approach. It is one that seems to be beyond your experience. I am using practitioners' well-developed knowledge of ABC and BCD and DEF, and simply putting in an attacker, the attack and the posture, and then describing how ABC and BCD and DEF translate into effective technique. I share with them a common frame of reference that you seem unwilling to acknowledge. It as called Naihanchi shodan. This has never been about teaching new movements. This is all about having people understand well-known movements from a different perspective.
That's it.
In a sense, it is you that have missed this incredible richness of meaning of kata. There is no necessity to cobble together this move and that move to get a great combination. The original masters that created and refined these kata did it all for us. And to ignore this is to miss one fundamental value of the kata. In practicing a given one tens of thousands of times, you are programming your body to execute those movements, without thought. No need to mix and match.
This is not to criticize mixing and matching. That is a great way to utilize kata. But despite what you have learned, it is absolutely not the only way. Kata works, as it is. Period.
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