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Kman umm that video does not exist. Can you give us the cliffs notes?
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Not sure what happened there but it should work now.Kman umm that video does not exist. Can you give us the cliffs notes?
To be fair though RTKDCMB you do have to stop the initial push of the SLT/DLT. You have to have a good sprawl or atleast not get taken down. If you manage to not go down immediately then your attack to his neck would work great. That is predicated on you stopping his forward push on your lower extremities during the takedown. Its not the counter attack it self that is in doubt its everything that leads up to it. Here is a Famous video showing exactly what he and you are talking about..
That was a simple DLT. Yes he could have knife handed his neck, but he couldn't because he didn't stop the forward momentum first. Again its not your back of neck attack that is in question, its weather or not you can do it as he is tackling you. Im sorry but I hate this troll as much as you do, but in this instance a sprawl is a better option.
Anyone else thinking that if another man's face gets that close to my groin area in a combat situation, then they're going to get quite a powerful knee to the underside of their jaw?
Actually it is full speed and power in class, and honestly, I have yet to see a fist fight where two people didn't clinch up or try to wrestle each other to the ground.
To be fair though RTKDCMB you do have to stop the initial push of the SLT/DLT. You have to have a good sprawl or atleast not get taken down. If you manage to not go down immediately then your attack to his neck would work great. That is predicated on you stopping his forward push on your lower extremities during the takedown. Its not the counter attack it self that is in doubt its everything that leads up to it. Here is a Famous video showing exactly what he and you are talking about..
That was a simple DLT. Yes he could have knife handed his neck, but he couldn't because he didn't stop the forward momentum first. Again its not your back of neck attack that is in question, its weather or not you can do it as he is tackling you. Im sorry but I hate this troll as much as you do, but in this instance a sprawl is a better option.
I've kept quiet with regard to this thread as felt there was a little bit of trolling and that no matter what anyone has said or what proof has been given Hanzo is just not going to change his opinion. However, two things bug me with his arguments:
- Break falling on mats is better practice for 'real' world situations than a hard solid floor? This I cannot agree with, yes I understand that being able to fall hundreds of times on a nice soft mat avoids injury and means you can practice more often, yet this style of training also breeds complacency. I learnt break falls on a crash mat and once I was confident moved onto thin matts and then onto the wooden floors and in some training halls on concrete floors. This has meant that I am more than confident to be thrown from any type of throw onto any surface and I will not end up hurt. The flip side to this is that I also know that when thrown onto a mat I do not have to be as precise with my break fall and can relax a little knowing that the mat will take some of the power out of the fall. Therefore I can be complacent and my break fall will not be as technically accurate as when I am thrown onto a hard surface.
This to me then proves that training break falls on a 'real' solid surface will instill better habits than falling onto a mat and ensure that your break falls maintain their effectiveness as you will not become complacent by relying on a soft surface to cushion the fall. My opinion, but considering I have trained this way for over 20 years and have never sustained and injury from a break fall or failed a break fall, I think it works.
Not many non-professional fighters could withstand this and carry on with the takedown IMO:
http://youtu.be/gz2lSgVtd2A
As soon as you lower yourself into going for the takedown a whole load of strikes are on.
LoL! You have to actually get the knee to connect. The grappler has a higher chance of taking you down, than you do of getting the knee. Additionally, DLT isn't the only type of takedown.
Still better than the karate chop to the back of the head.
Try this, make yourself a knifehand and hit yourself gently on the base of the skull, do it a bit harder if you want to, and take notice of the effect. Now get someone to do it to you with full force, then when you get out of the hospital, post a comment about it.
This thread is starting to get a bit boring for me and I am getting a headache banging my head against the Hanzou wall. I think I will move on, but I can't promise I won’t be back at some stage in the future.
I realize this is sarcasm, but just to jump in here, as Hanzou, and likely others, tend to very much disbelieve and very much want to disprove anything said in favour of non MMA/BJJ training. DON'T try this.
-It takes, relatively, a VERY small amount of focused force to severely damage the cervical vertebrae (top ones in your neck). Jarring these can, yes, cause a black out, but also a concussion.
-Even if it doesn't knock you out, you will likely suffer from a permanently weakened neck and increased likelihood of serious spinal injury during rough activity.
-Slightly more force can lead to full body paralysis, and if you are unlucky enough to crack a vertebra, the edges can easily sever a variety of nerves, some of the most common leading to instant fatality, or paralysis of the respiratory system, which can also be instantly fatal, or take a few, very unpleasant minutes.
Which is another reason where I try not to mess around with techniques that put the back of my neck in range, and rely on being fast enough to not get hit. I'd rather take a good solid blow almost anywhere else...
The reason why I said it that way was to illustrate how dangerous that strike is, that's why I said to do it gently,after doing that you don't need to do it hard to guess how nasty it would be. A less severe option would be to strike the back of the neck on an angle with a bit less force.
MJS I know you say youll do what ever it takes to get back to your feet. I know you train bjj some times, but this for those that don't. You don't really know how to get back to your feet if your entangled with someone, till you actually grapple with someone.
Im not advocating that TMA go out and adopt a full white to black ground system but they should start adding some to there training. Not the full curriculum but say a set of teachings for the various positions. Mount/sidemount/halfguard/guard/back. Have a beginner a intermediate and a advanced curriculum. It needs to be paired down. GJJ is some where north of 600+ techs. I say just focus on defending the main subs, and how to escape each of the positions.
I fully support tma, but I hear it often how they will do what ever it takes to get back to your feet. If you don't know the proper way to trap and roll from mount or escape the other positions, your going to waste a lot of precious energy flailing futilely trying, while not accomplishing anything.
Trust me, before I had any training, I was in a few fights. I know how scary it is to be on the bottom of mount, trying desperately to escape and not getting anything done. Had I known then, the simple trap and roll, id have beat his ****. TMA often understate just how scary the ground really is.