MMA is like Facebook?

[FrontKick-Jab-Punch]

I owe you an apology, Cyriacus! I haven't been on a message board for many years, and I keep forgetting how difficult it is to either come across as you mean to or understand how anyone else is meaning to come across. =)

I don't dislike MMA. I don't really think it's like prison fighting. I was just being a pain. You were, however, incredibly respectful even though you interpreted my comments as being genuine (which would make me kind of a d-bag). So I think you're a pretty okay fellow.

My true belief is more like this: I personally enjoy studying a traditional martial art, by which I mean, one that includes cultural and philosophical aspects and historical background. I wouldn't enjoy studying something that was so unidirectionally aimed at fighting. But that's just my personal opinion and I accept that others may feel the reverse (as you might).

As to what I've been watching, I'm afraid I was ruined by the Gracie Bros. destruction of the UFC many years ago when I was in my 20s - by which I mean, they were so effective that they turned a cool battle between a variety of fighting styles into everyone trying to take it to the ground and ending up writhing around boringly. I'm not arguing effectiveness here, but entertainment. 20 year olds are shallow. =)

I do think that MMA is a bit superficial - that was honest. I suppose to me, it's the difference between being an X-Ray Technician vs. a Radiologist or maybe an electrician vs. an electrical engineer? (which sounds nasty and is coming off wrong, too). What I mean is that there's a technical aspect to things and a side that reflects depth and breadth of knowledge (sometimes tangential minutiae, I admit!) and I suppose I prefer the latter to the former. But there's nothing wrong with preferring the former to the latter.

But I like starting crap sometimes, so forgive me. =) Again, thank you for your intelligent and respectful response.

FKJP

 

[Kalamazoo Ninja]

Sorry. All this started over my signature. I'm not wrong tho. I apologize sincerely if I offended anyone not my intention. Forgive me (bows face down)

 

[Tony Dismukes]

I owe you an apology, Cyriacus! I haven't been on a message board for many years, and I keep forgetting how difficult it is to either come across as you mean to or understand how anyone else is meaning to come across. =)

I don't dislike MMA. I don't really think it's like prison fighting. I was just being a pain. You were, however, incredibly respectful even though you interpreted my comments as being genuine (which would make me kind of a d-bag). So I think you're a pretty okay fellow.

My true belief is more like this: I personally enjoy studying a traditional martial art, by which I mean, one that includes cultural and philosophical aspects and historical background. I wouldn't enjoy studying something that was so unidirectionally aimed at fighting. But that's just my personal opinion and I accept that others may feel the reverse (as you might).

As to what I've been watching, I'm afraid I was ruined by the Gracie Bros. destruction of the UFC many years ago when I was in my 20s - by which I mean, they were so effective that they turned a cool battle between a variety of fighting styles into everyone trying to take it to the ground and ending up writhing around boringly. I'm not arguing effectiveness here, but entertainment. 20 year olds are shallow. =)

I do think that MMA is a bit superficial - that was honest. I suppose to me, it's the difference between being an X-Ray Technician vs. a Radiologist or maybe an electrician vs. an electrical engineer? (which sounds nasty and is coming off wrong, too). What I mean is that there's a technical aspect to things and a side that reflects depth and breadth of knowledge (sometimes tangential minutiae, I admit!) and I suppose I prefer the latter to the former. But there's nothing wrong with preferring the former to the latter.

But I like starting crap sometimes, so forgive me. =) Again, thank you for your intelligent and respectful response.

FKJP

I'm afraid your original comment contained too many caveats and too much humility to be properly trollish. To be really effective at starting a fight, you need to not only make a bunch of absolute pronouncements that display your ignorance of everything you are talking about, but you also need to state or imply that anyone who disagrees with you is an idiot.

I will make a couple of responses to your stated actual beliefs ...

My true belief is more like this: I personally enjoy studying a traditional martial art, by which I mean, one that includes cultural and philosophical aspects and historical background. I wouldn't enjoy studying something that was so unidirectionally aimed at fighting.

Totally reasonable. Nothing wrong with that.

As to what I've been watching, I'm afraid I was ruined by the Gracie Bros. destruction of the UFC many years ago when I was in my 20s - by which I mean, they were so effective that they turned a cool battle between a variety of fighting styles into everyone trying to take it to the ground and ending up writhing around boringly. I'm not arguing effectiveness here, but entertainment.

Understandable, but I will point out that the grappling becomes much more interesting for a spectator who understands what is going on and what the fighters are attempting to do in each position. Also, since all the fighters know how to grapple these days, there are plenty of fights settled by stand-up striking. The motivation for the Gracies to always take the fight to the mat was that most of their opponents had no idea of how to fight effectively in that situation. Nowadays everybody knows how to grapple and how to strike, so you never know how a fight will end up.

I do think that MMA is a bit superficial - that was honest. I suppose to me, it's the difference between being an X-Ray Technician vs. a Radiologist or maybe an electrician vs. an electrical engineer? (which sounds nasty and is coming off wrong, too). What I mean is that there's a technical aspect to things and a side that reflects depth and breadth of knowledge (sometimes tangential minutiae, I admit!) and I suppose I prefer the latter to the former.

I'll have to disagree on the idea that MMA practitoners necessarily lack depth of knowledge. Take a good look at Anderson Silva or Lyoto Machida. I'd say that if you were to gather a random assortment of traditional martial arts instructors you would be lucky to find one in a thousand who would match their depth of technical knowledge. (Then again, both of those gentlemen hold black belts in arts which are older than TSD, so perhaps you would consider that they are traditional martial artists in their own right.)

 

[Tony Dismukes]

Sorry. All this started over my signature. I'm not wrong tho. I apologize sincerely if I offended anyone not my intention. Forgive me (bows face down)

No, it really didn't have much to do with your signature. I would suggest you take a look back at the post I directed at you a little earlier.

 

[Cyriacus]

I owe you an apology, Cyriacus! I haven't been on a message board for many years, and I keep forgetting how difficult it is to either come across as you mean to or understand how anyone else is meaning to come across. =)

I honestly had no idea. Yes, thats one of the downsides of text. Unlike vocal communication where you have tone of voice, and gestures, and active conversation, it isnt difficult to misinterpret someone

I don't dislike MMA. I don't really think it's like prison fighting. I was just being a pain. You were, however, incredibly respectful even though you interpreted my comments as being genuine (which would make me kind of a d-bag). So I think you're a pretty okay fellow.

Hooray!

My true belief is more like this: I personally enjoy studying a traditional martial art, by which I mean, one that includes cultural and philosophical aspects and historical background. I wouldn't enjoy studying something that was so unidirectionally aimed at fighting. But that's just my personal opinion and I accept that others may feel the reverse (as you might).

Id like to think ive gotten over the idea of fighting in the first place. At least, in the head to head man to man skill to skill sense.

As to what I've been watching, I'm afraid I was ruined by the Gracie Bros. destruction of the UFC many years ago when I was in my 20s - by which I mean, they were so effective that they turned a cool battle between a variety of fighting styles into everyone trying to take it to the ground and ending up writhing around boringly. I'm not arguing effectiveness here, but entertainment. 20 year olds are shallow. =)

Play along for a sec - Watch the video, then after having watched it, read the text in white (so you cant incidentally read it before watching the video. Just highlight it. Its there, under the video).

Notice the part where they were both laying on the ground doing nothing? Thats because the dude on the bottom was being all kinds of choked, into unconsciousness by the end. However, i have to admit that since i like chokes, i may incidentally place a higher value on chokes. : )

I do think that MMA is a bit superficial - that was honest. I suppose to me, it's the difference between being an X-Ray Technician vs. a Radiologist or maybe an electrician vs. an electrical engineer? (which sounds nasty and is coming off wrong, too). What I mean is that there's a technical aspect to things and a side that reflects depth and breadth of knowledge (sometimes tangential minutiae, I admit!) and I suppose I prefer the latter to the former. But there's nothing wrong with preferring the former to the latter.

But I like starting crap sometimes, so forgive me. =) Again, thank you for your intelligent and respectful response.

FKJP

Thats ok.

 

[Steve]

Notice the part where they were both laying on the ground doing nothing? Thats because the dude on the bottom was being all kinds of choked, into unconsciousness by the end. However, i have to admit that since i like chokes, i may incidentally place a higher value on chokes. : )

Thats ok.

Just so that everyone can see what happens, the choke starts at about 1:51 when the guy on the bottom shifts the guy on top's right arm across his body. The guy on top gets rolls because he has no base now on that side, and ends up losing consciousness completely at about 2:02 where you can see his arm drop off the rope.

Prior to that, the guy on top was just basically stalling.

On topic, though, I would say my opinion is that MMA is largely its own style now, although there are what I'd consider "source" styles that are still very important. More and more kids are getting into MMA having had no martial arts training outside of the MMA gym.

That said, any MMAist who is interested in competing at a high level will have to work very hard to refine techniques in all ranges of combat. Many compete actively in grappling tournaments, including Judo, IBJJF tournaments and submission grappling leagues such as ADCC. Many also have Muay Thai records, boxing records and will cross train with all kinds of martial artists to garner an edge in their sport. The luckiest get to train with Steven Seagal. (that's a joke)

Point is, like all other martial arts styles, there are going to be generalists and specialists. There are people interested in making a career out of their style and others who do not. Those who do will dig ever deeper into the well.

 

[Kalamazoo Ninja]

Think about it...when you say "I'm fighting in the style of Mixed Martial Arts" doesn't make sense to me. You should have a primary art as your style in my opinion.

 

[Tony Dismukes]

Think about it...when you say "I'm fighting in the style of Mixed Martial Arts" doesn't make sense to me. You should have a primary art as your style in my opinion.

Hey Miles, did you see what I wrote earlier about ninjutsu and information gathering? Here you have a situation where something (by your own admission) doesn't make sense to you. That's understandable, since you don't have a background in MMA. Now try to think like a ninja - gather information. Can you come up with some questions which would clarify why people who do have MMA training would make statements that don't make sense to you?

 

[Kalamazoo Ninja]

There's a reason why it doesn't make sense. It doesn't make sense because Mixed Martial Arts is more of a genre than a style. I am simply saying in order to be effective blending MA you need a primary art to add other arts on top of that

 

[Monkey Turned Wolf]

There's a reason why it doesn't make sense. It doesn't make sense because Mixed Martial Arts is more of a genre than a style. I am simply saying in order to be effective blending MA you need a primary art to add other arts on top of that

Why? If someone's already done the blending for you, and made what they think is an effective MA all on its own, why would you need an art separate to be your primary, then blend arts, basically redoing all the work your instructors already done?

 

[rframe]

What did Georges St Pierre say after his fight with Diaz, "I knew he was good in boxing range and I wanted to stay out of his boxing range," St-Pierre said. "I used my karate."

Traditional martial arts are alive and well in MMA. Most of the top contenders resumes are filled with multiple dan ranks in karate, taekwondo, etc.... along with expertise in jiu-jitsu, wrestling, boxing, muay thai, etc.

 

[Flying Crane]

African kung fu is weak

This is a really really funny statement. For a few reasons.

 

[Steve]

Think about it...when you say "I'm fighting in the style of Mixed Martial Arts" doesn't make sense to me. You should have a primary art as your style in my opinion.

Consider that "doesn't make sense to me" is not the same as "doesn't make sense." Maybe you just don't get it.


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[Kalamazoo Ninja]

Why? If someone's already done the blending for you, and made what they think is an effective MA all on its own, why would you need an art separate to be your primary, then blend arts, basically redoing all the work your instructors already done?

because you are basically just street fighting without any formal training. Sure an MMA instructor can teach you moves that work in the octagon but then you are just learning the art for sport and not for survival outside the octagon. This is just my opinion. My opinion is NOT fact.

 

[rframe]

Sure an MMA instructor can teach you moves that work in the octagon but then you are just learning the art for sport and not for survival outside the octagon.

This applies to every martial art. Many arts focus on sports. There are also many schools/dojos/instructors that "claim" to teach street self defense but teach completely idiotic ideas that will likely get their students maimed or killed in a street fight.

If I were to blindly bet money on a fight between your your average jiu-jitsu focused MMA guy with some "sport" fight experience versus your average strip mall "I'm so street lethal I should be banned" ninjutsu guy, I'd take the MMA guy every time... and I'm quite sure I'd make money.

 

[Tony Dismukes]

because you are basically just street fighting without any formal training. Sure an MMA instructor can teach you moves that work in the octagon but then you are just learning the art for sport and not for survival outside the octagon. This is just my opinion. My opinion is NOT fact.

The thing is, people will tend to respect your opinion a lot more if it's based on knowledge and facts rather than assumptions about something you have never experienced or researched. Come on ... be a ninja ... gather information ... you can do it!

 

[Flying Crane]

My opinion is NOT fact.

I don't think anyone will argue with you over this statement.

 

[Kalamazoo Ninja]

I guarantee you if were talking hypothetical...Any MMA fighter would get destroyed if they went into the ring with Ninjutsu Grandmaster Hatsumi Sensei!

 

[rframe]

I guarantee you if were talking hypothetical...Any MMA fighter would get destroyed if they went into the ring with Ninjutsu Grandmaster Hatsumi Sensei!

 

[EddieCyrax]

I do think that MMA is a bit superficial - that was honest. I suppose to me, it's the difference between being an X-Ray Technician vs. a Radiologist or maybe an electrician vs. an electrical engineer? (which sounds nasty and is coming off wrong, too). What I mean is that there's a technical aspect to things and a side that reflects depth and breadth of knowledge (sometimes tangential minutiae, I admit!) and I suppose I prefer the latter to the former. But there's nothing wrong with preferring the former to the latter.

FKJP

I too am not a large fan of MMA, but I respect the talents of the fighers. BJJ is not my primary MA, but as many individuals have studied this art in preparing for their MMA goals, I felt I needed to at least understand the basic principles if I was ever confronted for my personal self-defense. I have begun supplementary training in BJJ to complement my Kempo.

All this is to say I have learned that BJJ is equally as technical as my Kempo. My whole opinion on BJJ changed once I began training in it. I understand from an entertainment value there does not appear to be a lot of activity in the ground game, but ask one the fighters how much effort they are exerting and the various manuvers and counters that are being performed that might not be recognized by an untrained individual I think you might have a different opinion at least to the skill involved.

Again, I am not a big fan of MMA for my own reasons, and even though the ground arts are not my primary focus, I will never suggest these fighters do not have technical skills or the depth of knowledge in their craft.