Archangel M
Senior Master
Why study something that we apparently have no clear conception of?
Media Leave "South Park" Creators Out to Dry
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Archangel M
Senior Master
Same thing with the idea of something like "love". Some people seem content to live their lives in a world of chemical reactions, electrical impulses and hormonal influences. I prefer to look at (and live) life in a different way.
Empty Hands
Senior Master
Because with study of the world around us we can be fairly certain we will find the answers eventually. Not so with God. Unless you count dying, I guess, but that's an experimental protocol I don't plan on signing up for anytime soon.
Empty Hands
Senior Master
So you think people who see love as a biochemical reaction don't feel the emotion?
Emotions are real and powerful. They are meaningful. They are also biochemistry, which we can increasingly map. Some people are born without the ability to love (Reactive Attachment Disorder), so of course it is biological in basis.
That doesn't make it unreal.
Do you really think you love your spouse or kids more because you believe in God?
blindsage
Master of Arts
The fundamental belief of many religions is that there is something outside the bounds of the our universe's laws and outside our ability to conceive of. If you can scientifically postulate basically the same thing, it's not much different from what many religions believe.
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Big Don
Sr. Grandmaster
How dare you try to reroute the discussion to the original topic?!So yeah...South Park is a pretty funny show IMO. I really like it because they offend EVERYONE. Even their initial disclaimer says "this show should not be watched by anyone". I love it.
opcorn:
Agreed
We've had superstition for tens of thousands of years, we've only had real science for maybe 100? 150? years....
give us, humankind, time and we will unravel most of the secrets of the universe.
Aye. After all the whole point of reason and intelligence is to recognise what you don't know and pursue a line of investigation that rectifies that.
But I have to reiterate Don's point above, in that this discussion, whilst very stimulating, is not really targeted closely to the OP. Given that one of the basic rules of the Study is that discourses cleave to the topic (reasonable perambulation being permissible) it might be a good idea to nudge things back on track.
But I have to reiterate Don's point above, in that this discussion, whilst very stimulating, is not really targeted closely to the OP. Given that one of the basic rules of the Study is that discourses cleave to the topic (reasonable perambulation being permissible) it might be a good idea to nudge things back on track.
Empty Hands
Senior Master
No, it seems very different to me. Religion postulates a specific being outside this universe who created this universe, and who intervenes in this universe on a regular basis. Science, at best, says there might be other universes or a multiverse-like medium beyond our universe. Those are radically different propositions.
Empty Hands
Senior Master
The OP was another in a long string of tiresome posts attempting to show how hypocritical the West is for bending over backwards for the nasty Muslims while persecuting the poor, downtrodden Christians. We turned mud into gold here.
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I won't deny that some good discourse has come out of it, EH, I said as much above but, if people wish to take a conversation off at a tangent from the OP, in the Study it is recommened that a new thread on the tangent is started rather than wandering too far from the OP.
Time to do my Sympathetic Cop impression and iterate that I don't make the rules, it's just my job to help see that they are adhered to.
I won't deny that some good discourse has come out of it, EH, I said as much above but, if people wish to take a conversation off at a tangent from the OP, in the Study it is recommened that a new thread on the tangent is started rather than wandering too far from the OP.
Time to do my Sympathetic Cop impression and iterate that I don't make the rules, it's just my job to help see that they are adhered to.
blindsage
Master of Arts
A specific being who exists outside of our physical laws and is incomprehensible. That very much fits into the original way you described it. That description implied we don't know and probably can't know, now you are changing it to we have a few good ideas, it seems, because you don't like the connection I made.
Empty Hands
Senior Master
I said nothing about a being. I also don't know what you mean about changing my ideas. I said there may be something "outside" our universe that is literally incomprehensible. An interuniversal medium perhaps. That is nothing like a Creator God.
blindsage
Master of Arts
If it is literally incomprehensible, then how would you know?
Empty Hands
Senior Master
It doesn't seem to me like that follows. If something is incomprehensible, then it must be all things which are incomprehensible? When we get right down to what religions propose, they do not propose "something is incomprehensible out there...we'll call it God" they propose a specific incomprehensible being which created this universe. Also, they propose a being which interferes in the workings of this universe. If that happened, that would be one means by which you might tell the difference between proposed incomprehensibilities.
