As an atheist and a rationalist
ok your a rationalist..
ill give you some rational.
I get irritated when innocent people get duped by some of the traditional nonsense.
how about when the un-experienced get duped into a philosophical narrative by modern nonsense????
I see no reason to put a martial art on a pedestal.
i see no reason to put Krav or Jeet Kun Do or anything else on a pedestal even if it is modern or appears simple.
This whole "years to master" philosphy is pretty unique to East Asian martial arts
this phenomenon
is not unique to asian martial arts. its part of the human condition. its the way the human brain works.
https://blog.bufferapp.com/lessons-...actice-from-moz...art-picasso-and-kobe-bryant
"How long does it take to become elite at your craft?......That’s what John Hayes, a cognitive psychology professor at Carnegie Mellon University, wanted to know.
Hayes started his research by examining successful composers....Hayes mapped out the timeline of each composer’s career and calculated how long they had been working before they created their popular works. What he discovered was that virtually every single “masterwork” was written after year ten of the composer’s career. (Out of 500 pieces there were only three exceptions, which were written in years eight and nine.)"
Study after study shows that it takes about 10 years to become fully competent at
any skill or craft.
how long does it take to be competent at Muay Thai????
Muay Thai Kru: What is means to be Kru
"There are five instructor levels within the World Thai Boxing Association (starting with the most senior):"
- Ajarn – 25+ years of active teaching
- Senior Instructor – 20+ years of active teaching
- Kru – Full Instructor – 12 years of active teaching
- Kru – Associate Instructor – 6 years of active teaching
- Kru – Apprentice Instructor (Student Level III) – 3 years of active teaching
So to become an instructor (meaning your competent at the craft) takes 12 years.
there are four stages to competence.
"The Four Stages of Learning provides a model for learning. It suggests that individuals are initially unaware of how little they know, "
Four stages of competence - Wikipedia
Perhaps you are at the beginning stage?
Combat competence is primarily a function of the brain. the mistake made by many people is that they compare combative sport to actual combat. because of the way the brain functions the reptilian part of the brain (the Limbic system) is not engaged while doing sport martial arts. to know and remember martial art skills in the prefrontal cortex and to have that show up during actual combat is not the same thing.
"the limbic system can independently respond to the world, like when we react to threatening situations. This occurs at the subconscious level, when the amygdala—the fear and anxiety response center—compares data from the world with the hippocampus, which is the memory database of experiences. If the incoming information corresponds to a threat that has been tagged as negative or dangerous, the amygdala immediately commands the body into action."
What Combat Leaders Need to Know About Neuroscience - The Military Leader
it takes more time to "hard wire" your martial art learned responses so that they are usable during an actual threat. the Limbic system will want to override all normal brain function and it takes a lot of practice and experience to get the prefrontal cortex involved.
When the limbic system is heavily engaged, as it is during the high threat stress of combat, it will quite literally steal fuel from the prefrontal cortex, thus handicapping a leader’s ability to combat the situation with cognition.
i would suggest your superficial learning that takes a short amount of time is no more useful for actual fighting as reading a book.
When I see a kickboxer or a krav maga guy who's spent a measely year in training hold his own against a karateka who's spent two decades on kata and kibadachi stance or whatever, I feel bad for the karateka. I get it that some people want the "authentic" tradition
your post shows your opinion is that because the training methodology of traditional karate takes longer than a few months, it is somehow a bad thing.
clearly you have no understanding of the culture of the Okinawan and Japanese martial arts.
what makes you think it is supposed to be fast??
the training methodology of karate from the Okinawan perspective is SUPPOSED to take time.
i would propose you have no understanding of the karate traditions and culture. one of the top objectives in a martial tradition is continuation. similar to the continuation of a species the evolutionary continuation of a martial tradition is its number one priority. it is not an evolutionary advantage to teach just the superficial, and pass on less than complete understanding of the art. to do so would mean certain death to the art within 2 generations. so certain cultural protocols have been ingrained into the styles and systems. these protocols are so imbeded that most people do not see them for what they are, a method to restrict propagation of the art to those who posses the highest likelyhood of passing the complete art to another generation in its entirety.
the idea of quick learning is completely counter productive to the evolutionary continuation of the art.
some protocols
- restriction of admission. we dont want undesirable people learning the art
- restriction of knowledge. in the beginning there was often a test of the students resolve and commitment
- restriction of acknowledged competence. only selected individuals were given the status as teacher and full competency
that being said i will admit that here in 2017 the arts have had a side effect in the evolutionary progression that is exactly because of the break down of the continuation protocol. American students who do not posses the entire scope of understanding and perhaps curriculum. if someone grants themselves 11th degree grand poobah rank,, what happens is the smaller curriculum get stretched out and passed off as complete. then the next generation does the same thing and slowly the body of knowledge shrinks. this is one reason things may actually take longer then really necessary.
another is that the American students want instant gratification and in an effort to please them (like a child) the instructors would expand the original curriculum so that the American student was constantly learning something he thought was new but was in fact a rehashed lesson or concept that was just presented in a different way.
it seems like a waste of time to me.
fine ... no one is saying your not allowed to have an opinion.
however you are not the martial art police and you are not qualified to make any kind of determination of that sort.
the issue seems to be that you equate a given length of time to the level of competence or in this case incompetence. your assumption that a longer time means the student is getting ripped off somehow is totally a lack of understanding on your part. if someone was looking for self defense in a short amount of time they would buy a gun. in fact if the goal was 100 % about the ability and competency of self defense then you would not study martial arts at all!!!! you would purchase a fire arm and be done with it.
so there is your rationale ... go buy a gun.
