Martial arts and social vices

[Wing Woo Gar]

This reminds me, I heard gingers have to get more anesthesia than others normally get. Could be a myth but I heard they require higher doses. Idk why.

I know about the amount of anesthesia for gingers and we tend to think they bleed more. That is a common belief amongst surgeons. In veterinary medicine it’s orange cats and calicos, the redheads of the cat world. Completely orange cats are nearly always male, calicos(tri color) are always female. It is common amongst veterinary staff to believe they bleed more. I know there have been studies that show gingers perceive pain differently, and that they tend toward higher pain tolerance.

 

[Wing Woo Gar]

<looks over shoulder> Can you get me some?

Psst! Hey buddy…

 

[granfire]

I know about the amount of anesthesia for gingers and we tend to think they bleed more. That is a common belief amongst surgeons. In veterinary medicine it’s orange cats and calicos, the redheads of the cat world. Completely orange cats are nearly always male, calicos(tri color) are always female. It is common amongst veterinary staff to believe they bleed more. I know there have been studies that show gingers perceive pain differently, and that they tend toward higher pain tolerance.

the word is that Chestnut/sorrel horses are also more sensitive.
I don't know what the medical view is about anesthesia or bleeding.

 

[granfire]

So they can get addicted, but when you have those negative things happen, you're more likely to avoid alcohol, which (theoretically) means you're less likely to become an alcoholic. And asians in general are significantly less likely than other races/ethnicities to become addicted to alcohol; that's one theory why (and the one I believe, personally).

It's been a while since the principle was explained and it was not in depth. I think it was something genetic, or believed to be so.
They were said to be able to drink like fish and shake it off.

some folks just have iron self-control. The hangover is not worth it to them, so they stick with water.
I admire that.

 

[Monkey Turned Wolf]

It's been a while since the principle was explained and it was not in depth. I think it was something genetic, or believed to be so.
They were said to be able to drink like fish and shake it off.

That would've been incorrect then - wouldn't surprise me since knowledge of how this works has changed over the last few decades. Not too surprising.

 

[granfire]

That would've been incorrect then - wouldn't surprise me since knowledge of how this works has changed over the last few decades. Not too surprising.

More has become known since then, true.

 

[HighKick]

In the U.K. you are only permitted to drink such beers if you have a scraggly beard, a tweed jackets (with leather elbow pad) and smoke a pipe.

(U.K.) Diet coke cola is one of my vices but I limit myself to no more one can per day, and not everyday! I think it’s less sweet than regular coke and horribly sweet Pepsi.

Sounds like Sprite…

I just ordered some premium sencha from Ippodo in Kyoto

Do you have shandy in the USA? Half larger, half lemonade?

Tastes definitely vary. To me, Coke is the one that is too sweat. But I drink 2-3 Pepsi's a month. I just have a craving sometimes. Unsweet tea is my vice.

 

[Oily Dragon]

I'll share a funny anecdote. When I decided to generally abstain from alcohol (I still have a drink now and then), I was a daily consumer. Not insane amounts, but just regular, with my times of day and routine, usually before bed. 99% of the time not drunk, and the .9% still sober enough to put myself to bed. .1% of the time, angry/belligerent and concerning. Every other year or so, not that often, but bad drunk.

And that's why I ultimatey gave up the sinful nectar, to eliminate that .1%. because that little sliver can creep up on you at the worst possible times. You start feeling overly confident, carefree, and suddenly you've trucked right through your body's personal limits. Some of the lonliest songs ever written describe it. Said/did someone wrong, or just acted stupidly. And you can't turn back the clock, you just have to figure out what happened out of the blue the following mornings.

In the few weeks after I decided to abstain, I experienced a sugar craving like no other. Worse than my early Kung Fu carb cravings. What I learned was that alcohol was fueling the same receptors on my brain that candy does, and my body was not quite ready to give up all that sweetness.

Only lasted about a week, but man, I put on 5lbs of just poptarts, nutty buddies, and coffee creamer.

Quitting cigarettes is nearly impossible. Quitting alcohol isn't that hard unless you are really, really vested in it.

But sugar? Sugar taught me the true nature of vice. To this day, I avoid it more than anything else.

 

[HighKick]

At the end of most days, I have a (singular) tall beer. It is enough of a numbing agent to take the edge off the aches and pains I have by the end of the day and help me wind down. Beyond that, I will sometimes have a short beer if we go out for dinner. Can't and don't want to do hard liquor anymore.

 

[Gyakuto]

At the end of most days, I have a (singular) tall beer. It is enough of a numbing agent to take the edge off the aches and pains I have by the end of the day and help me wind down. Beyond that, I will sometimes have a short beer if we go out for dinner. Can't and don't want to do hard liquor anymore.

Is beer good for muscle soreness? I’m willing to try anything!

I’ve had a friend over for the last few days and I bought a bottle of absolutely delicious ‘Roku’ gin for us to sip at the end of each day. Neither of us drink much, she slightly more than me. We both suffered from disturbed sleep. Regular waking and of poor quality when we did manage to drift off. So we decided not to drink on some nights and sure enough, a great sleep followed! Interesting, don’t you think?

 

[Gyakuto]

I’ve just pre-ordered this to see if he has any new ideas

 

[HighKick]

Is beer good for muscle soreness? I’m willing to try anything!

I’ve had a friend over for the last few days and I bought a bottle of absolutely delicious ‘Roku’ gin for us to sip at the end of each day. Neither of us drink much, she slightly more than me. We both suffered from disturbed sleep. Regular waking and of poor quality when we did manage to drift off. So we decided not to drink on some nights and sure enough, a great sleep followed! Interesting, don’t you think?

I doubt beer helps muscle soreness since it can cause dehydration. But it curbs my aching joints a little.

 

[Monkey Turned Wolf]

I doubt beer helps muscle soreness since it can cause dehydration. But it curbs my aching joints a little.

It is actually. It helps in the moment (ie if you drink a beer when you've got muscle soreness it'll help). And hops are an anti-inflammatory, which always helps. There's also a (to my knowledge very mild) relationship between eased muscle soreness and anti-oxidants, which hops is also. So if you want something that helps your muscles/joints feel better in the moment, a hoppy beer isn't the worst thing. Some actual medication or intentionally nutritious smoothie might be better, but I'd personally rather drink the beer.

Just don't drink more than 2 beers if that's you're goal-and drink water (which you should be anyway) to counteract any dehydration that the beers might have. Which also isn't all that much if you're only drinking 1-2 beers.

 

[Monkey Turned Wolf]

It is actually. It helps in the moment (ie if you drink a beer when you've got muscle soreness it'll help). And hops are an anti-inflammatory, which always helps. There's also a (to my knowledge very mild) relationship between eased muscle soreness and anti-oxidants, which hops is also. So if you want something that helps your muscles/joints feel better in the moment, a hoppy beer isn't the worst thing. Some actual medication or intentionally nutritious smoothie might be better, but I'd personally rather drink the beer.

Just don't drink more than 2 beers if that's you're goal-and drink water (which you should be anyway) to counteract any dehydration that the beers might have. Which also isn't all that much if you're only drinking 1-2 beers.

Just to clarify, if you (general you to whomever is reading) have some sort of allergy to alcohol, are a super-lightweight, have trouble metabolizing alcohol, or have any other problems with alcohol, obviously use your best judgment and don't use beer after a workout if drinking is problematic.

 

[Gyakuto]

I doubt beer helps muscle soreness since it can cause dehydration. But it curbs my aching joints a little.

When I was a young student studying renal physiology we did experiments concerning diuresis, and they showed, backing up the data, that beer is, at best, a very mild diuretic so it’s dehydrating effect is often due to the 15 shots of spirits that accompany beer drinking (spirits have a much lower fluid to alcohol ratio)!

 

[Ivan]

I had a strange realization today. Martial arts are why I drink and smoke. I started drinking socially when my Taekwondo Master told me that if I go to Kukkiwon, I'd need to be able to hold my liquor. I smoked my first cigar at a pool party with a bunch of my friends from jiu-jitsu. (Both of these happened in my 30s).

If it weren't for martial arts, I probably wouldn't have these vices. Kinda funny when you think about martial arts is usually about giving up vices.

I’m the same. I used to almost never drink, but the judo club go to the pub after each Wednesday session.

 

[Gyakuto]

I’m the same. I used to almost never drink, but the judo club go to the pub after each Wednesday session.

Isn’t it just awful that pubs don’t sell soft drinks, tea and coffee? It should made a legal requirement to cater for teetotal martial artist types

One of the reasons I never had alcohol after training was the need to drive home.

 

[Oily Dragon]

Isn’t it just awful that pubs don’t sell soft drinks, tea and coffee? It should made a legal requirement to cater for teetotal martial artist types

One of the reasons I never had alcohol after training was the need to drive home.

I have a similar problem.

Once you give up alcohol as a frequent thing, everyone in your life suddenly needs a ride after last call.

It feels good that people think you are that reliable, but I am not an Uber driver..

 

[Tigerwarrior]

I have a similar problem.

Once you give up alcohol as a frequent thing, everyone in your life suddenly needs a ride after last call.

It feels good that people think you are that reliable, but I am not an Uber driver..

Exactly if I'm gonna babysit and escort drunk people home I'd rather be paid for it. I might as well become an Uber driver and bouncer.

 

[HighKick]

I’m the same. I used to almost never drink, but the judo club go to the pub after each Wednesday session.

This sort of thing happens in every type of group environment. It is the 'brotherhood' thing. And I feel it is a very good thing to experience. A person can and should go hang out and make relationships. But that never mean you have to drink, smoke, 'insert vice', etc... That is where being a self-respecting individual separates itself.