Martial Art most effective in MMA?
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Chris Parker
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Hmm, you know what? The most effective martial art in MMA is, and I know this is a big surprise here, MMA! It really is, in many cases, it's own martial art in and of itself, not a composite of different systems as most non-MMA people sometimes think, mainly because that simply wouldn't work.
Well I will pnly say this it is never the art but the person who is training. People make arts look good or bad, people who have the drive will be better than those that just go at it half hearted.
What you typically see....BJJ skills, boxing, MT, wrestling. OTOH, Lyoto Machida has been very successful with his modified TMA, Shotokan.
So I agree with Terry....its not necessarily the art, but the way its trained.
So I agree with Terry....its not necessarily the art, but the way its trained.
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People who want to enter mixed martial arts competitions generally select a grappling art, and a striking art. No one particular art has any real advantage over another, as long as you have a good coach, and know how to blend the multiple arts together for competition purposes.
Even back in the early days, when Brazilian Jiu Jitsu certainly held an advantage due to people not being familiar with it, a skilled wrestler or Judo-ka could certainly negate a BJJ practitioner's advantage on the ground, or come out ahead, depending on the skill of the wrestler / Judo-ka.
Someone the likes of Rashad Evans or Quentin Jackson combines boxing and wrestling, and to great effect. Others, like Lyoto Machida or Georges St. Pierre, choose to use Karate and Brazilian Jiu Jitsu.
In addition to this, there are several schools that basically teach MMA as its own art, such as Greg Jackson's Gaidojutsu, which combines wrestling, judo, and kickboxing, or the American Kickboxing Academy, which combines kickboxing, Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, and Judo.
Even back in the early days, when Brazilian Jiu Jitsu certainly held an advantage due to people not being familiar with it, a skilled wrestler or Judo-ka could certainly negate a BJJ practitioner's advantage on the ground, or come out ahead, depending on the skill of the wrestler / Judo-ka.
Someone the likes of Rashad Evans or Quentin Jackson combines boxing and wrestling, and to great effect. Others, like Lyoto Machida or Georges St. Pierre, choose to use Karate and Brazilian Jiu Jitsu.
In addition to this, there are several schools that basically teach MMA as its own art, such as Greg Jackson's Gaidojutsu, which combines wrestling, judo, and kickboxing, or the American Kickboxing Academy, which combines kickboxing, Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, and Judo.
Xue Sheng
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Martial Art most effective in MMA?
The one that wins....resaults may very based on individual fighters
The one that wins....resaults may very based on individual fighters
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They did a study awhile back, and for the life of me can't remember when. It looked at the winners of each match and what their BASE style was. The most winners had "wrestling" as their base style and added from there.
Cirdan
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uh.. Striking and grappling I guess. (Since warhammers ain`t allowed)
Few of our fighters in the UK have wrestling as their base art, it's not done here very much.
More and more though fighters don't have a base art, that was in the early days when MMa was relatively new, these days fighters are MMA fighters through and through with MMA as theirart.
Cirdan, we often have Norwegian fighters on our cards especially in the NE of England as it's close and we keep having to lock their warhammers up and give them back after the fightnight, nice weapons but the blood makes such a mess to clear up after the shows.
It is called MIXED martial arts for a reason.
More and more though fighters don't have a base art, that was in the early days when MMa was relatively new, these days fighters are MMA fighters through and through with MMA as theirart.
Cirdan, we often have Norwegian fighters on our cards especially in the NE of England as it's close and we keep having to lock their warhammers up and give them back after the fightnight, nice weapons but the blood makes such a mess to clear up after the shows.
It is called MIXED martial arts for a reason.
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I wouldn't doubt that at all, given the success that various MMA fighters have had at various times throughout the years. For example, in the 90's, you had catch wrestlers the likes of Ken Shamrock, "classical" wrestlers such as Dan Severn, Don Frye, Pat Miletich, Mark Coleman, etc. Each of those guys went on to have a good MMA career.
In more recent times, you have wrestlers the likes of Matt Hughes, Josh Koscheck, etc., although these guys have added more striking techniques to their arsenals, which was to be expected, given how the sport has rounded itself.
Cirdan
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Hmph, do you at least allow us to eat poisonous mushroms before fighting so we can get a prober berzerk on?
Hmph, do you at least allow us to eat poisonous mushroms before fighting so we can get a prober berzerk on?
Sadly no, we give them what the loacls have, Newcastle Brown Ale, has the same effect! it's not nicknamed Nukey Brown for nought!
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Good stuff!
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None of the above. Have you ever heard the boxing phrase 'Styles make fights'. Well, styles have strengths and weakesses that other styles are either vulnerable or can exploit.
For example, BJJ worked great against boxers.......but wrestling tended to successful exploit the weaknesses in the BJJ game........wrestling is great against many strikers, but Muay Thai knee and elbow strikes, and dirty boxing, as successfully countered many wrestling techniques, specifically the rising knee is hell on traditional wrestling leg shoots.
It's really a game of escalation and counter.
Cirdan
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Sounds good, like you brits say "We need a pint before us bash"
Usually a few pints lol!
I find people who ask what style is the most effective, best or whatever in MMA usually wants to be told that one style dominates and it's usually the style they do
The best fighters have all round skills, a tactical brain, good cardio and stamina, a well developed sense of good sportsmanship and a bit of showmanship.
Styles don't matter, it's what you do with what you know. It's knowing what works for you.
Look at MMA for what it is, all round fighting. No one style is better than another if you know what you are doing. MMA doesn't equate to single style fights, it's what it says it is.
Xue Sheng
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Or an old CMA view.
Qinna fights Shuaijiao
Shuaijiao fight kicking and punching
Kicking and Punching fights Qinna
Good Lord I must move to the UK!
stonewall1350
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Just my 2 cents on watching and having done MMA. MMA fights are not about styles. They are ALL about the fighter. Honestly how many of you guys that wrestle can do NOTHING on your back and cannot perform...say...a triangle choke or rubber guard? I think if you are looking at MMA and what arts to train in...then look at what the art focuses on and what part of your MMA game you want to improve. If you have BJJ then your going to be better off on the ground in a knowledge standpoint. I think the arts you learn separate of MMA are a way of giving yourself options...adding things to your gym bag of knowledge.
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