ppko said:
First thing yes I have used Kyusho on the streets several times and it has never not worked, but like your hero said I don't carry around a camera all the time.
Sure you have... The unprovable argument that someone has used something "on the street" is a common defense... It purports to legitimize the claims of the individual - the technique is valid, and the individual has combat experience. However, it is (at least with all the legitimate practitioners I have ever trained with) the
least often cited qualifier. Most folks I know or have trained with (and they are usually one and the same) are more than willing to demo a questionable technique on the spot at whatever level of intensity you prefer.
In the line of work that I was in you got plenty of real time practice ( law enforcement )
Really? And what particular branch of law enforcement allowed you to make use of knock out techniques? My father was a career police officer, and I am a military paralegal. As a martial artist and a paralegal I have had frequent occasion to train, train with, and discuss procedures with military and civlian law enforcement personnel... Unless you are former LAPD (just kidding), I doubt any department (if you were a cop) would allow you to KO suspects at will, thereby affording you the "street cred" you allude to.
Please, where did you work, what did you do, and what particular duties enabled you to KO folks at full tilt boogie often enough to allege skill in that technique?
lots of people that have at one time or are now in law enforcement,
And there are a lot of military people around the Army post I am assigned to that train in bogus, fradulent martial arts schools... What's your point? That the student body somehow qualifies the training conducted? Hardly. If prominent people attend a crap seminar, does the seminar get better by the quality of its attendees? I don't think so...
How can you tell me that I don't have enough real experience when you no nothing about me.
I "told" you no such thing. Please re-read my post, and if possible, answer the questions I asked.
People come to our seminars because they have instructors that either don't know, or know what they are talking about but choose not to show anyone.
Or because they feel that they will be spoon-fed information that their instructors don't feel they are either a) technically prepared for or b) ethically mature enough to handle.
Anyone that promises quick skills and free information will find attendees clamoring to get in the door. Whether those skills and that information is worth the effort or whether the attendees were of proper character remains to be seen... Only time will tell in either case.
Do I have as much MA experience as Rob, NO, do I have enough real life experience,Yes.
Please, post your curriculum vitae for us to review. I would love to know what "real life experience" you have that beats 20+ years of training directly under the main influence your teacher learned very little actual information from...
I can tell when someone is full of crap and has to get defensive when someone from DKI gets in here, because he is afraid that people will realize that he isn't the only one that knows true Kyusho Jitsu.
And I can tell when someone from DKI who would solicit information on "kyusho jitsu" from other sources on internet fora (been done before by others, you aren't the only one) gets defensive about the alleged skills of his seminar teacher and class instructors rather than providing rebuttal comments or answers to questions posed...
And it is "jutsu," not "jitsu." God I can't believe this is still an issue...
About Dillmans knowledge all I know is what I am told I was not around when GM Dillman first started training in the Martial Arts, but there are lots of articles and magazines to back up what he has said.
Well, some of us
have been around that long... Robert is telling you flatly that he was present when Dillman attended the seminars with Mr. Oyata! How much more first hand do you need? And if you are defending information presented to you be a particular party, do you genuinely believe that said party is going to propagate information detrimental to his own public image? I doubt it.
He has done some great things for the Martial Arts and and has had some great teachers,
That wasn't the issue. The fundamental issue remains that the pressure point fighting techniques being taught by DKI are neither trained nor demonstrated at full speed... Why? Either the techniques are too deadly (in which case striking them at a stand still should only serve to increase the effect), or the instructors are incapable of making them work at that pace.
In my oppinion he has proven his method, and has proven it all over the world, we continually test in Medical Centers,
How has he "proven" his method? If I say that I have "rediscovered" a previously forgotten method of flying a fighter plane, but I am unwilling to actually fly said plane in combat conditions, how then is my "rediscovered" flying skill validated? Your logic fails you.
And what medical research has been conducted? Perhaps you personally are unaware of where and when, but if you choose to cite such research it'd be a good idea to be prepared to provide that to anyone that asks... Otherwise it is just a good story.
and take in new people all the time from all sorts of different backgrounds. We have people from all over the world in DKI (china, france, UK, ecuador, netherlands, canada......).Don't you think that some of these people would have proven us wrong by now.
Because you get new students (though I doubt they are in the hordes you imply they come in), and because they come from all over the world, doesn't mean that what they are being taught is any more or less questionable. They could only prove you wrong if they knew more than what was being taught by DKI, in which case (if they did know more) I don't think they'd be attending DKI seminars...
I cannot speak for those that left DKI ( by the way there hasn't been that many people leve DKI).
Nor can you truly speak for those you claim left Mr. Oyata... I know of an individual in our local area that claims to be a student of Mr. Oyata. His kata are good, his knowledge is good, and I genuinely believe him to be a good man. But nobody that has been a regular student of Mr. Oyata's (I mean those that don't just attend seminars, but actually trained in his dojo) seems to know him... This leads me to believe that those who "left" Mr. Oyata's training may not have done so because they felt Dillman had more to offer. They may have relocated and DKI was the only thing they could find. They may have left after not "learned" enough quickly enough to satisfy their craving. There could be any of a number of reasons, but their departure does not imply DKI is superior.
We show techniques at a stand still so people can learn them.
Fine. But when they have learned it, what next?
