If we talk reality, stronger muscles are an advantage in any style. Women tend to have weaker muscles (though not in all areas), so will (on average) hit less hard, etc. But any style that works when taught well (and KM is one) will work for a woman when taught/learned well.
I don't think that strict definition is at all necessary. BJJ, for instance, has thrived mostly on NOT trying to put borders around the art. It has naturally graduated (in most places) more and more to ground work and few strikes, but that's not a limitation imposed by the nature of the art. In many BJJ gyms, if something works, it's BJJ. Same thing with MMA gyms (to some extent regardless of the base styles they teach, or whether they teach base styles, at all).
well that's most probably a truism, but is very difficult to verify with actual data, trained athletes, in this case swimmers, women have about 60% of the strength of their Male counter parts, with the general population is a lot more difficult to come up with a hard and fast figure,
I did say "on average", Jobo.
I know, but what " average" is this of which you speak, you can certainly say that the " average Male has the capacity to be stronger than the average female, it's a big jump to say that they are. 7nless you are only comparing like with like on age and physical fitness
It's common usage, Jobo. You know that.
Agreed. And she might (depending how she trained, and her personal potential for strength) be stronger than the average male. But she'd no longer be "average", herself.
Yes. But what was YOUR point?
it may be common usage to make claims based on an average that you dont know, or have no idea what methodology was used to arrive at it. but claims made from a made up average are suspect and strength is primarily a skill, that's only loosely tied to muscle size
Actually, you need to go back and re-read what I said, apparently. I never said a female KM can't hit as hard as an average male. You are doing your usual of rearranging things to a meaning you want to argue against.
well we were discussing female km, so it was a fair assumption that what you were referring to, but ok, what makes you believe that an average female cant strike as hard as an average Male. you will need to state your data points for what makes someone average to do this.
That's not even close to a "fair assumption". Re-read the post, this time with the intention of actually responding to what it says, rather than what you want it to say (so you can argue).
but women who do combat arnt average,by your own claim and neither are the men by the same measure, so that not dealing with the claim that an average Male strikes harder than an average female ?
You're just looking for something to argue about. You have neither a point, nor anything to add. I think we're done here.
my point remains the same as it was a the beginning, that putting the words on average in a sentence is meaningless unless your going to define average in that context, and more expressly, an " average female that does a physical job, of which there are many, could well be stronger than an average" Male who does an office job of which there are also many. more than enough of both for them to be considered average everyday people, unless as above you have some particular data set you wish to impose on it to prove your point
Not really. "On average" is a common usage which doesn't actually require an individual be average for the larger population - every subset (including "people who do KM") has an average, as well. The question was about "women" (the generic group, as opposed to any individual women), so we can discuss overall points, without needing to resort to outliers.
There are averages within any population. That's how averages work.
Yeah, they do. There's an "average" for people who start KM. There's an "average" for people who do 40 years of KM. Every population has an average, and it's going to be a derivative of the average of the larger population. So, if on average, women have less upper body strength than men, then elite women will (on average) have less upper body strength than elite men. It translates.
