Krav-Maga??

[Deleted member 39746]

There should just be a automated bot respond to 90% of threads with "it depends".

as i put above, it depends and it does depend heavily on who teaches it.


As i dont know Russian i dont know the context of this video.

No its not its british, developed in the east end of london, before israel even existed

I believe the creator militarized his sports knowledge under defendu via some form of training or service with the U.K/western allies. Providing all the sources i got is accurate and all that stuff. I would say its unique enough to be called Israeli and be his system per say.




Honestly krav maga is one of those milked to death things, im not too sure if there is a world wide organization of "proper" krav maga who maintains standards but its so fragmented and has a plethora of different teaching methods to its name you could have a very distinct training quality difference.

Also a big point, you aren't getting what the ISDF gets and the police get a different one to them etc. Plus their standards take into account you being military fit anyway. Before this turns into a rant, thats all i have to type.

I dont harbor a specific dislike for it, that's just the problems i see for it. Also some of the above might be known/obvious for some of you.

 

[jobo]

There should just be a automated bot respond to 90% of threads with "it depends".

as i put above, it depends and it does depend heavily on who teaches it.


As i dont know Russian i dont know the context of this video.






I believe the creator militarized his sports knowledge under defendu via some form of training or service with the U.K/western allies. Providing all the sources i got is accurate and all that stuff. I would say its unique enough to be called Israeli and be his system per say.




Honestly krav maga is one of those milked to death things, im not too sure if there is a world wide organization of "proper" krav maga who maintains standards but its so fragmented and has a plethora of different teaching methods to its name you could have a very distinct training quality difference.

Also a big point, you aren't getting what the ISDF gets and the police get a different one to them etc. Plus their standards take into account you being military fit anyway. Before this turns into a rant, thats all i have to type.

I dont harbor a specific dislike for it, that's just the problems i see for it. Also some of the above might be known/obvious for some of you.

Im not sure what your point is, it was never a sport, it was always a self defence system, and its country of origin is england,

That makes it british, like karate is japanese, irrespective of where its taught, or how its modified

Your point about fitness however is true, but also true of all ma/ defence systems, they all work much much better if your " military " fit

 

[Hanzou]

Anyone got a real life example of Krav being used to fight off multiple armed assailants?

 

[wab25]

its country of origin is england

I had always been told it was developed by Imre Lichtenfeld. From Wiki:

Imre Lichtenfeld (also known as Imi Sde-Or) was born in 1910 in Pozsony, Austro-Hungary and grew up in Bratislava (Slovakia). Lichtenfeld became active in a wide range of sports, including gymnastics, wrestling, and boxing. In 1928, Lichtenfeld won the Slovak Youth Wrestling Championship, and in 1929 the adult championship (light and middle weight divisions).[30] That same year, he also won the national boxing championship and an international gymnastics championship. During the ensuing decade, Imi's athletic activities focused mainly on wrestling, both as a contestant and a trainer.

In the mid-1930s, anti-Semitic riots began to threaten the Jews of Bratislava, Czechoslovakia. Lichtenfeld became the leader of a group of Jewish boxers and wrestlers who took to the streets to defend Jewish neighborhoods against the growing numbers of national socialist party and anti-Semitic thugs. Lichtenfeld quickly discovered, however, that actual fighting was very different from competition fighting, and although boxing and wrestling were good sports, they were not always practical for the aggressive and brutal nature of street combat. It was then that he started to re-evaluate his ideas about fighting and started developing the skills and techniques that would eventually become Krav Maga. Having become a thorn in the side of the equally anti-Semitic local authorities, in 1940 Lichtenfeld left his home with his family and friends on the last refugee ship to escape Europe.
Krav Maga - Wikipedia

I realize that it Wiki... but it is the basic summary I usually find when read the pages of the different Krav groups. Can you elaborate more on Krav actually being from England? I am not doubting you... its just not part of the usual history of Krav, unless I am missing something. Anyway, I would love to hear more about its English origin.

 

[drop bear]

Anyone got a real life example of Krav being used to fight off multiple armed assailants?

Ironically I did read one which I am trying to hunt down.

 

[hoshin1600]

Anyone got a real life example of Krav being used to fight off multiple armed assailants?

it wouldnt matter because it didnt happen inside an octagon.

 

[Hanzou]

it wouldnt matter because it didnt happen inside an octagon.

I have no problem with non-sport examples:

However, I typically see this type of thing from boxers, not Krav people.

 

[jobo]

I had always been told it was developed by Imre Lichtenfeld. From Wiki:


I realize that it Wiki... but it is the basic summary I usually find when read the pages of the different Krav groups. Can you elaborate more on Krav actually being from England? I am not doubting you... its just not part of the usual history of Krav, unless I am missing something. Anyway, I would love to hear more about its English origin.

People involved with it, who write the histories, like to bask in the reflected glory of the idf, but it was conceived in Hungary , then with the jewish exerdus from easten europe in the 1930s tranfered to london where it was developed, so depebdent on what point your saying it began, its either hungarian or British, or a bit if both.! but it is most certainly is NOT from Israel

 

[wab25]

People involved with it, who write the histories, like to bask in the reflected glory of the idf, but it was conceived in Hungary , then with the jewish exerdus from easten europe in the 1930s tranfered to london where it was developed, so depebdent on what point your saying it began, its either hungarian or British, or a bit if both.! but it is most certainly is NOT from Israel

Ok, I get how its not from Israel. But, are you saying that someone other than Lichtenfeld created it?

Imi Lichtenfeld - Wikipedia

I don't see him going to London or even England. The closest he got was to North Africa serving with the British supervised Free Czechoslovak Legion sometime between 1940 and 1942. Where does London come in? Or who from London created Krav, if it wasn't Lichtenfeld?

 

[jobo]

Ok, I get how its not from Israel. But, are you saying that someone other than Lichtenfeld created it?

Imi Lichtenfeld - Wikipedia

I don't see him going to London or even England. The closest he got was to North Africa serving with the British supervised Free Czechoslovak Legion sometime between 1940 and 1942. Where does London come in? Or who from London created Krav, if it wasn't Lichtenfeld?

????????????????? He conceived it,tought ut to others, who then moved to london and tought and developed it further,

Or he was the father, but not the one who raised the child !

 

[Headhunter]

Ok, I get how its not from Israel. But, are you saying that someone other than Lichtenfeld created it?

Imi Lichtenfeld - Wikipedia

I don't see him going to London or even England. The closest he got was to North Africa serving with the British supervised Free Czechoslovak Legion sometime between 1940 and 1942. Where does London come in? Or who from London created Krav, if it wasn't Lichtenfeld?

Imi litchfield created it. But eyal yanillow developed it as a system. He was litchfields right hand man and helped him make the actual syllabus so it was more structured. But the principles all came from litchfield but at the end of the day. Who cares where it came from

 

[wab25]

Or he was the father, but not the one who raised the child !

I must read history a bit differently. Not only was he the father, but he raised the child as well.

In the late 1930s, anti-Semitic riots threatened the Jewish population of Bratislava. Together with other Jewish boxers and wrestlers, Lichtenfeld helped to defend his Jewish neighborhood against racist gangs. He quickly decided that sport has little in common with real combat and began developing a system of techniques for practical self-defense in life-threatening situations.[8][9]

In 1935, Lichtenfeld visited Palestine with a team of Jewish wrestlers to participate in the Maccabi games but could not participate because of a broken rib that resulted from his training while en route. This led to the fundamental Krav Maga precept, 'do not get hurt' while training. Lichtenfeld returned to Czechoslovakia to face increasing anti-Semitic violence. Lichtenfeld organized a group of young Jews to protect his community. On the streets, he acquired hard won experience and the crucial understanding of the differences between sport fighting and street fighting. He developed his fundamental self-defense principle: 'use natural movements and reactions' for defense, combined with an immediate and decisive counterattack. From this evolved the refined theory of 'simultaneous defense and attack' while 'never occupying two hands in the same defensive movement.'[10][11][12]

In 1940, Lichtenfeld fled the rise of Nazism in Slovakia, heading for Palestine on the Aliyah Bet vessel, Pencho, which shipwrecked on the Dodecanese Islands in the Aegean Sea. He reached Palestine in 1942 after serving with distinction in the British supervised Free Czechoslovak Legion in North Africa.[13] The Haganah's leaders immediately recognized Lichtenfeld's fighting prowess and ingenuity. In 1944 Imi[14] began training fighters in his areas of expertise: physical fitness, swimming, wrestling, use of the knife, and defenses against knife attacks. During this period, Imi trained several elite units of the Haganah and Palmach (striking force of the Haganah and forerunner of the special units of the IDF), including the Pal-yam, as well as groups of police officers. In 1948, when the State of Israel was founded and the IDF was formed, Imi became Chief Instructor for Physical Fitness and Krav Maga at the IDF School of Combat Fitness. He served in the IDF for about 20 years, during which time he developed and refined his unique method for self-defense and hand-to-hand combat. After he finished his active duty, Imi began adapting and modifying Krav Maga to civilian needs.[citation needed]

The method was formulated to suit everyone – man and woman, boy or girl, who might need it to save his or her life or survive an attack while sustaining minimal harm, whatever the background of the attack – criminal, nationalistic, or other. To disseminate his method, Imi established two training centers, one in Tel Aviv and the other in Netanya.[citation needed]
Imi Lichtenfeld - Wikipedia

A Hungarian, created a fighting system, took it to Israel and named it Krav, taught it at the IDF school for 20 twenty years, then modified it for civilian needs and created two training centers for it. But one of his early students went to London... So we now have the Krav Maga, the British system of self defense...? Ok.

 

[Headhunter]

I have no problem with non-sport examples:

However, I typically see this type of thing from boxers, not Krav people.

What made that guy a boxer....I saw the same punches used in Krav Maga, karate and boxing so what specifically made him a boxer?

 

[wab25]

Imi litchfield created it. But eyal yanillow developed it as a system.

In 1948 Lichtenfeld was teaching his Krav to the IDF. Eyal started training at Lichtenfeld's training center in Israel in 1974. Still not sure how that makes Krav a British system?

 

[Hanzou]

What made that guy a boxer....I saw the same punches used in Krav Maga, karate and boxing so what specifically made him a boxer?

The guys name is Nuh Demircan, and he himself said that all he knew was boxing.

 

[Kababayan]

Honestly krav maga is one of those milked to death things, im not too sure if there is a world wide organization of "proper" krav maga who maintains standards but its so fragmented and has a plethora of different teaching methods to its name you could have a very distinct training quality difference.
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Respectfully, my friend, because Krav is a fairly new system of self defense (compared to other martial arts) it can easily be traced back to the original organization. The big four organizations (main students of Imi Lichtenfeld) maintain fairly tight standards of Krav Maga. Kravists tend to know who the main Krav organizations are. Even across the big four organizations, Krav tends to look the same. The issue is when someone takes the concepts or a few techniques of Krav and creates their own version of "Krav-Fu". I wouldn't say "fragmented" because that would mean that the head instructor of an "off-shoot Krav" was a part of the Big Four organizations originally, although I understand what you mean when you say "fragmented". I would say that somebody is creating their own personal system and calling it Krav...even when it's not. Krav has a very distinct signature. I think the confusion comes when people make judgements of Krav based on observations and not long-term training. I mean no disrespect when I say that, it would be like me speaking my opinions about Aikido, as truth, without actually studying the art, and studying it from an actual respected Aikido school. Originally Krav was intended to be taught in a 20 hour course, or 18, I forget.

 

[pdg]

Do you ever see krav maga applied outside of a demo?

Wasn't it on the Simpsons that time?

 

[Andr]

Anyone got a real life example of Krav being used to fight off multiple armed assailants?

I heard about this one
Dad pictured drenched in blood after using martial arts skills to fight off machete gang raiding his £400k home

 

[Flying Crane]

It’s amazing how slow-motion video coupled with dramatic background music can make someone look really awesome.

 

[Headhunter]

In 1948 Lichtenfeld was teaching his Krav to the IDF. Eyal started training at Lichtenfeld's training center in Israel in 1974. Still not sure how that makes Krav a British system?

Never said it did