So, now that you know it all, will you be changing your username?a bunch of stuff that made my eyes hurt
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So, now that you know it all, will you be changing your username?a bunch of stuff that made my eyes hurt
Hello, First training drills are not KATA's.....and any drills will teach balance,movements, and so on....Why do drills, if it is the same as a Kata. Why not just teach Kata's instead?
Kata is a repetive motion over and over in percise movement. NO one fights like a Kata. It does have a purpose for training ( I agree on this) Limited!
First: Old Karate/Kung-fu and other styles of the old days are NO longer taught as strict and hard as the old days of learning.
If you were to go back and train like them..today's martial artist would be just as tough,strong,fast, and mental ready.
Today we do not strike each other (like in boxing training). We do not train as long hours(3-6) , and 5 days or more.
With classes only 1-2 hours long and 2-3 days a week? ...NO wonder Black belts are NOT as strong like in the old days.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------Hence? Those schools who teach Mix martial arts...are becoming more popular because people want to learn to fight back for REAL fighting.
In time you see many martial art school with alot Black belts...who are NOT really ready for street figthing. Karate/Kung-fu/others...NOT like teaching in the old days.
Just look around? If your school has lots of HARD STYLE of sparring and hitting? ....see how many students will stay?
In the old days....this is the way they train! Lots of black eyes, bloody nose's, bruises, and so on! Hard core training? Do you see this in most schools today? ...maybe a few?
WHY? ...mix is popular? ..simple to learn to fight for real is to find training that is more real! ..............Aloha
PS: Hawaii has REAL sand beaches...and REAL beauty....and some really bad guys too! So we too? must learn REAL self-defense. (bought three yesterday.) so far got nine of them? ...gotta find direction on how to use them?
Hello, First training drills are not KATA's.....and any drills will teach balance,movements, and so on....Why do drills, if it is the same as a Kata. Why not just teach Kata's instead?
Kata is a repetive motion over and over in percise movement. NO one fights like a Kata. It does have a purpose for training ( I agree on this) Limited!
First: Old Karate/Kung-fu and other styles of the old days are NO longer taught as strict and hard as the old days of learning.
If you were to go back and train like them..today's martial artist would be just as tough,strong,fast, and mental ready.
Today we do not strike each other (like in boxing training). We do not train as long hours(3-6) , and 5 days or more.
With classes only 1-2 hours long and 2-3 days a week? ...NO wonder Black belts are NOT as strong like in the old days.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------Hence? Those schools who teach Mix martial arts...are becoming more popular because people want to learn to fight back for REAL fighting.
MMA = ever see them doing Kata's ? Boxers? , Muay thai?
some could say that shadow boxing is a type of kata.
physiological information is far more advanced that it used to be so many are training smarter then just slogging it out in punch bags and each other.
I wonder if the useage of Gay is a Freudian slip.
Hello, REAL fighting? Have you seen any of the martial arts teach: real fighting? Real defense against real fighting? Anything goes? Non-stop action till someone quits or gets beating up.
Most do not! My opinion here! How many of them have VERBAL lessons in reducing a forcefully outcome, on a regular basis.
Have you ever seen a Kata person fight like a Kata in a REAL fight?
One day people will learn Kata is a training tool ....but has nothing to do with REAL fighting skills.
For the side issue of kata-based training, we have recently had quite an in-depth thread discussing that very subject. I'd suggest that whichever side of the fence you sit it'd make an interesting read.
With regard to the core issue of the OP ... I'm astounded. I think Andy said it best in his post above.
all in how you train?
I'm curious (never done it) how kata practices the fundamentals. Most of what I hear is that kata sets up and practices things that are not oft used.
If it's like shadow boxing, then it'll teach to pull before the hit? So, continuing the golf example, would tiger woods really practice chopping his club straight down onto the ball, instead of swinging through?
Well, there's chronological age, and there's emotional development. The first marches on regardless, the second can get stunted quite easily (see it every day in my day job). In 'Road House', they were called 40-year-old adolescents. :lol:That is extremely depressing.
His mode of speech, coupled with poor spelling and grammar, not to mention his extremely myopic view of the pros and cons of various training methods, and the efficacy of 'other' techniques and strategies simply screams juvenile.
Yes exile, exactly, and a good summary of the dscussions in those earlier threads alluded to.Again addressing the kata side-issueĀwhich is actually related closely to the main issueĀI would suggest, Still_Learning, that following up on Sukerkin's pointed suggestion about checking out some discussion which have already taken place about the combat role of kata, you take a careful look at the threads here and here, for starters. Then we can talk about your claims that kata have nothing to do with actual combatĀin spite of the fact that they were created by some of the toughest fighters of their time specifically in order to record optimal fighting techniques, and that some of the toughest fighters of our time have gone to great lengths to explain exactly how to `read' kata to see what those fighting applications are. I have to say, S_L, everytime I hear this kind of opinion expressed, it turns out that the holder of the opinion is almost totally unfamiliar with the enormous amount of, um, `experimental research' that people like Iain Abernethy, Geoff Thompson, Peter Consterdine and other `hard men' of the British Combat Association, and the colleagues elsewhere in the world, have done on the bunkai and oyo for karate kata in live training that is as close as you can get to actual streetfighting without sending people to hospital on a regular basis. It's like hearing someone express the opinion that atoms are indivisible... um, well, if you look, you might find that the past century of nuclear and elementary particle physics suggest something quite different... and it's all there in textbooks, eh? But if you don't take the trouble to learn what others have discovered, you'll just go on perpetuating what you think you know.
Yes exile, exactly, and a good summary of the dscussions in those earlier threads alluded to.
To summarize: He hates karate, kung fu, gays, spelling, grammar, and punctuation. Now get off his lawn.
The usual result of that sort of closed-off attitude is the reinvention of square wheels...
To summarize: He hates karate, kung fu, gays, spelling, grammar, and punctuation. Now get off his lawn.
To summarize: He hates karate, kung fu, gays, spelling, grammar, and punctuation. Now get off his lawn.
I love these quotes.
Also, Cory's post explain why I hate most MMA fighters. Most, not all. Most (not all, I cann't empasise that enough) have the same narrow minded "I am god, I have trained in every style, and they all suck expcet MMA, and I am ignoreing the facts, especailly that MMA is a concept, not a style... Now get off my lawn"