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Jeet Kune Do, style or not?
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windwalker099
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It was said that Krishnamurti was a big influence in shaping Bruce's thinking..
Freedom from the known
" Truth has no path, and that is the beauty of truth, it is living.
A dead thing has a path to it because it is static, but when you see that truth is something living, moving, which has no resting place, which is in no temple, mosque or church, which no religion, no teacher, no
philosopher, nobody can lead you to - then you will also see that this living thing
is what you actually are -"
Freedom from the known
" Truth has no path, and that is the beauty of truth, it is living.
A dead thing has a path to it because it is static, but when you see that truth is something living, moving, which has no resting place, which is in no temple, mosque or church, which no religion, no teacher, no
philosopher, nobody can lead you to - then you will also see that this living thing
is what you actually are -"
Truth has path.
I wonder if Bruce Lee had ever trained "hip throw". If he did, he won't say those thing.
"Hip throw" require that your
1. right foot land in front of your opponent's right foot.
2. left foot land in front of your opponent's left foot.
3. left arm control your opponent's right arm.
4. right arm control your opponent's waist or left shoulder.
5. hip on your opponent's belly.
If you miss any part of these 5 requirements, your "hip throw" won't work.
windwalker099
Master Black Belt
指月之指，非是月；道之法，非是道。
The finger pointing at the moon is not the moon; the method of the Way is not the Way itself.
Krishnamurti’s philosophy, truth has no fixed path. Bruce Lee’s martial arts philosophy techniques are tools, true understanding comes from direct experience and adaptability.
The throw is a tool, not a doctrine.
The moment you treat it as the only way, you lose the ability to flow.
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windwalker099
Master Black Belt
One way of looking at it:
Jiddu Krishnamurti:
"When you call yourself an Indian or a Muslim or a Christian or a European, or anything else, you are being violent."
Krishnamurti emphasized direct experience over labels and doctrines.
This idea is also expressed in some Taiji practices at a certain level of mastery, where transcending rigid forms and labels becomes key to deeper understanding and freedom of movement.
Wang Yongquan:
"Follow the rules and break the rules, break the rules and follow the rules. Only when you practice to this level can you achieve emptiness without stagnation, freedom of movement and stillness, formlessness and imagelessness, and the whole body is transparent."
Krishnamurti also said:
"Truth has no path, and that is the beauty of truth, it is living."
This directly applies to JKD’s core philosophy—it is not a rigid system but an evolving, adaptable approach to combat. Bruce Lee rejected the idea of JKD being a "style." If JKD truly follows its own philosophy, then its evolution depends on the practitioner’s level of awareness.
Seeking to label or define it would seem contrary to its core principles. "It" does not evolve; rather, practitioners using this philosophy as the basis for their own self-inquiry evolve.
One might look at who the teacher was that a practitioner followed / trained under
to understand the "practitioners" reflection " look/usage " of this within their movements.
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If you don't even know the only way, you can't even start to flow. You have to learn how to walk before you can run.
First you need to develop a set of tools. When you have enough tools in your toolbox, you can then talk about abstract stuff such as pointing fingers to the moon.
JKD assume it's students have all completely developed their toolbox. How to put the 1st tool, the 2nd tool, ... into the toolbox, JKD has never addressed that issue.
What's JKD's
- toolbox containing?
- entering strategies?
- finish strategies?
- strategy changing in the middle of the fight?
- ...
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In order to have the ability to flow, you have to know everything and also to be good on everything. Does JKD have a plan to help you to get there (know everything and good on everything)?
For example, if you have never developed your roundhouse kick, when your opponent switches from a uniform stance into a mirror stance, you may not even recognize that roundhouse kick opportunity. Or you may recognize that opportunity, but if your roundhouse kick is not fast and power enough, you still won't be able to flow and take that opportunity.
windwalker099
Master Black Belt
Donno, you should ask those who practice JKD.
What is everything?
One only has to be better at what they do, then the other is at what they do.
Everything means for each and every opportunity, you know how to take advantage on it.
For example, when your opponent dodges under your hook punch,
- What opportunity can you see?
- How to take advantage on it?
If you let that opportunity to pass by and don't know how to take advantage on it, you are not "flow".
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