James Bond martial art style

[elder999]

Actually I didn't say it was the most expensive, read what I wrote again. I said it was 'one of the most if not the most expensive schools in the world.'

Yeah-you also didn't say "one of the most exclusive, if not the most exclusive," or "one of the best, if not the best."

You didn't say "most exclusive," or "best," you said "most expensive," which it is not. In fact, tuition and fees for such schools all around the world are about that much, regardless of how good or exclusive they actually are or aren't, and Eton isn't even the most expensive HMC school in the UK-it ranks about 11th.

. Likewise the product-in as much as in the short 123 years it's been in operation, Hotchkiss numbers among its alumni several prominent politicians, authors, and CEOs, it also has graduated some downright scumbags (my f hallway proctor from my freshman year is a CEO, and was a downright scumbag). Likewise Eton, I suppose-perhaps that should be their motto?Turning out downright scumbags for 600 years.

In any case, Tez, this is mostly off-topic: presumably, their were no "martial arts" at Eton during Fleming's or Bond's (original) time, save wrestling fencing, and perhaps boxing. As for this entire school flapdoodle, I'm more than willing to yield the field in this matter, and concede that you possess the larger pants? in this matter.....

 

[Tez3]

I mentioned 'expensive' because as I said I expected the college had to offer the fee payers their moneys worth hence using the word 'expensive'. I was talking about money, not the quality or otherwise but the money. I think you missed the point of my post almost entirely and got carried away instead with that rather curious competiveness about which school is better. that's actually irrelevant, it was about the money they charged and for which the parents and guardians ( in Bond's case) expected a lot.
The modern James Bond as opposed to Ian Fleming's Bond, was born in 1969 according to the blurb so yes there was martial arts at Eton then.

 

[Kenpoguy123]

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From the books, which I read so many years ago, I recall two descriptions that relate to JB's martial arts knowledge:

In Goldfinger, 007 is busy collecting self-defence techniques (from texts received from other secret services etc) for a manual he sets out to write for his colleagues. If memory serves well, he reads something about hair grabs (as an aside, let me tell you; they work like a charm in reality ). He would then witness a Karate demonstration kindly given him by Goldfinger's murderous assistant (likely meant to intimidate him), something he had never seen before, and is indeed deeply impressed.

In a much later book, not by Ian Fleming (alas, I don't remember its author or title right now), interestingly, 007 warms up for his day by performing "the elegant and deadly moves of Sanchin, the first form of Uechi-ryu Karate." Later in the story, he tries to crush the bad guy's throat by a surprising heel palm strike but only manages to knock him unconscious as he doesn't hit accurately enough and is immediately seized by the villain's staff (I think he should have tried a chop instead, it fits the target much better - but then the story would have ended prematurely).

Hope this helps.

Also thinking about it in one of the young bond books this kid teaches him street fighting techniques

 

[elder999]

I mentioned 'expensive' because as I said I expected the college had to offer the fee payers their moneys worth hence using the word 'expensive'. I was talking about money, not the quality or otherwise but the money. I think you missed the point of my post almost entirely and got carried away instead with that rather curious competiveness about which school is better. that's actually irrelevant, it was about the money they charged and for which the parents and guardians ( in Bond's case) expected a lot.
The modern James Bond as opposed to Ian Fleming's Bond, was born in 1969 according to the blurb so yes there was martial arts at Eton then.

No "competitiveness about which is better," only that Eton isn't particularly expensive for such schools at all.

As for Bond, modern or not, he's kicked out of Eton after two halves because of "trouble with a maid," at age 12 ( ) , and attended Fettes College, his father's alma mater, in Scotland....so he didn't go to Eton....much.

 

[Tez3]

It's funny how a throwaway comment about a fictional character ( a nasty one at that, Bond is a sociopathic misogynist thug and as such would have fought dirty and enjoying making people hurt) can be taken so seriously, who actually cares how expensive Eton is ( hands down all of you) it was JUST a comment!

 

[ShortBridge]

I realize that this isn't the question, but as a fan of all of the original Ian Fleming books, the original Bond / MI-6 training was a Japanese JuJitsu style.

 

[elder999]

It's funny how a throwaway comment about a fictional character ( a nasty one at that, Bond is a sociopathic misogynist thug and as such would have fought dirty and enjoying making people hurt) can be taken so seriously, who actually cares how expensive Eton is ( hands down all of you) it was JUST a comment!

To be fair, James Bond-the modern incarnation-was born April 13, 1968. According to the 007 Wiki, he was a boxing champ at Fettes college, and started an intramural judo program, as well as excelling at other athletics.

who actually cares how expensive Eton is ( hands down all of you) it was JUST a comment!

Indeed, especially since it isn't at all expensive, or, since Bond only attended for two terms of his first year, germane.....

 

[Tony Dismukes]

Indeed, especially since it isn't at all expensive,

In fairness, to most people the 11th most expensive school in the UK is still pretty damn expensive. (So is Hotchkiss or any other schools of that ilk.)

 

[elder999]

In fairness, to most people the 11th most expensive school in the UK is still pretty damn expensive. (So is Hotchkiss or any other schools of that ilk.)

Yer absolutely right, Tony, but it's like Mr. Schrader said in physics class, all those years ago:

Is that a lot? You have to ask yourself,"compared to what???"

Compared to other schools of that type, Eton isn't expensive at all.....though I'm a bit flabbergasted at all of them: when I attended Hotchkiss, it was a little more than $5000 a year (maybe $7500??) Hard to believe that cost has increased something like ten-fold-the equivalent of an annual wage that some people live quite comfortably on, but there it is.....

 

[Tez3]

No "competitiveness about which is better," only that Eton isn't particularly expensive for such schools at all.

As for Bond, modern or not, he's kicked out of Eton after two halves because of "trouble with a maid," at age 12 ( ) , and attended Fettes College, his father's alma mater, in Scotland....so he didn't go to Eton....much.

This is Ian Fleming telling you about Bond and about the UK at the time of his writing. That he went to Eton tells us that Bond's family is not just wealthy but probably landed gentry, that they are upper class. That Fleming had him leave and go to Fettes tells us that Bond is actually Roman Catholic which along with being Scottish makes him not quite 'one of us', not quite the thing to be a left footer in the Forces or in the Civil Service which MI6 is. He's to be 'watched' not quite trusted, a maverick. The class system was more pronounced when Fleming was writing though it's still going strong as evidenced by David Cameron and his Eton coterie.

 

[elder999]

This is Ian Fleming telling you about Bond and about the UK at the time of his writing. That he went to Eton tells us that Bond's family is not just wealthy but probably landed gentry, that they are upper class. That Fleming had him leave and go to Fettes tells us that Bond is actually Roman Catholic which along with being Scottish makes him not quite 'one of us', not quite the thing to be a left footer in the Forces or in the Civil Service which MI6 is. He's to be 'watched' not quite trusted, a maverick. The class system was more pronounced when Fleming was writing though it's still going strong as evidenced by David Cameron and his Eton coterie.

Actually, Fleming didn't really write much about Bond's background until "You Only Live Twice," the first book to come out after the movie, "Dr. No." He made Bond Scottish to make him match Sean Connery-he also made his mother, Monique, Swiss. Andrew Bond, his father, was an accounts manager for Vickers Defence Systems-he was an arms dealer.

 

[Tez3]

Actually, Fleming didn't really write much about Bond's background until "You Only Live Twice," the first book to come out after the movie, "Dr. No." He made Bond Scottish to make him match Sean Connery-he also made his mother, Monique, Swiss. Andrew Bond, his father, was an accounts manager for Vickers Defence Systems-he was an arms dealer.

It really bugs you doesn't it roflmao.

I take it you never read the Daily Express cartoons of James Bond. The picture and profile of Bond there was the inspiration for the casting of Sean Connery though some say that Connery's agent saw the cartoon and told him to audition for the part. As Bond had a Scottish heritage it wasn't considered a strange choice.
I read the first one in 1958. Casino Royale. This is Bond.

 

[elder999]

It really bugs you doesn't it roflmao.

I take it you never read the Daily Express cartoons of James Bond. The picture and profile of Bond there was the inspiration for the casting of Sean Connery though some say that Connery's agent saw the cartoon and told him to audition for the part. As Bond had a Scottish heritage it wasn't considered a strange choice.
I read the first one in 1958. Casino Royale. This is Bond.

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Nah.
Vesper Lynd, describing Bond, in that very novel: "Bond reminds me rather of Hoagy Carmichael, but there is something cold and ruthless."

This is Bond.

(ooh, look-mine is bigger, after all!!)

Hmmm...makes you wonder what the Bond films would be like as musicals......

 

[lklawson]

And I thought that I would argue about almost anything.

Peace favor your sword,
Kirk

 

[elder999]

And I thought that I would argue about almost anything.

Peace favor your sword,
Kirk

No, you didn't.

 

[jks9199]

This is Ian Fleming telling you about Bond and about the UK at the time of his writing. That he went to Eton tells us that Bond's family is not just wealthy but probably landed gentry, that they are upper class. That Fleming had him leave and go to Fettes tells us that Bond is actually Roman Catholic which along with being Scottish makes him not quite 'one of us', not quite the thing to be a left footer in the Forces or in the Civil Service which MI6 is. He's to be 'watched' not quite trusted, a maverick. The class system was more pronounced when Fleming was writing though it's still going strong as evidenced by David Cameron and his Eton coterie.

What is a "left footer?"

 

[elder999]

No, you didn't.

 

[elder999]

Most valuable British contribution to culture in the entire 20th century, and not one of those guys attended Eton....