But you do try to learn in a competitive fight. You learn how to handle adrenaline and your own stamina, and how to apply techniques against a higher level of resistance, among other things. You're just learning different things than you do in the dojo.
I don't learn anything in a competitive fight. Everything is about adapting and understanding my opponent. This is different than learning.
I learn this in training, not in competition.
Nope. Anything that happens in competition is reviewed and reflected on after the competition. I take that information and use it in my training to help me be better prepared from the next competition. This is how it works for me. 100% effort is used for defeating my opponent.
People learn how to adapt. For many it's a learning by doing thing.
I guess the word "you" was incorrect. I meant it as a general you, rather than you specifically. That said, I've yet to meet anyone who didn't have a learning curve on how to appropriately manage their stamina the first few times they entered a competitive 'fight' regardless of the sport. Once it's learned though one doesn't have to continue relearning it.
Some. But not mostly. Sparring is more about testing your abilities and application of what you know. That's why you're not going to find many (if any) places that just throw you in the ring and say "go for it". You train. You learn. Then you spar.
I'm not saying that you are wrong. I'm just sharing my personal perspective on how I learn because it shows that it's different than what you are saying.one
You have now. I learn how to manage my stamina through sparring. Keep in mind that I see competition where a Winner and Loser exists. I see stamina like running (because I ran track and cross country). I learn to manage stamina through training. I don't wait until competition day to try.
I have never done this in my life. If there's a Win or Lose outcome then it's competition.
There's definitely overlap in that.
I think people here may confuse between "develop/learn" and "test". You cannot develop/learn in fight. You can only test your skill in fight.
On the contrary, if all you ever do is practice you will never know if you can actually pull off the throw.
That's what I have said. You first develop skill through partner drill. You then test skill through sparring/wrestling.
I agree with the first part but I'm not sure what you mean by the second. Unless you mean sparring without development. For example, someone who spars but never tries anything new like a "hip throw." In that context the person is sparring but may not be developing anything. If that's what you mean then I would agree that a person could spar for a life time and never touch a hip throw.
What I am saying is if you have "never" developed hip throw through partner drill, you just can't suddenly pull it out in sparring/wrestling.
Until you really
There are elements of the skill involved that you will never develop if you never actually try it in competition.
Real Rambos. Half these trainers are themselves out of condition and couldn’t do it themselves
I do think some things are developed during a fight. Folks mentioned earlier the adaptation to the stress of the moment. That's difficult (probably not impossible) to develop without something very much like a fight. You need the adrenaline dump to have a chance to develop that control.
You seem to be confusing the job of the trainer with the job of the fighter. If I go to a boxing gym for training, I want someone who is good at developing boxers. If the guy is 20 years past his prime, that's not at all relevant to his ability to train others.
Wouldn't you expect a sensei to know a kata he teaches you?
Of course. But what does that have to do with whether someone is in shape or not?
You would expect him to show you a perfect demonstration and I feel this way about a trainer. Would you let a beer belly trainer tell you about crunches & diet or show you he's walking proof of his teachings?
