TSDTexan
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Some insight as to what is being said. Specifically towards the end when the chin na tech "covering elbows" is talked about with regard to surprising wing chun guys.
This is from a multiple person discussion, and this poster is talking with Dan Djurdjevic.
I am reluctant to call it Xiao Chan because I really understand "xiao chan" to be a spiral in the opposite direction from what you presented. As such, the way I learned it anyways, it's applied against a cross arm grab as shown more commonly in moves like "Needle At Sea Bottom" or in Baji's move called..."xiao chan".
For a same side grab I have had all sorts of success with a technique called "triple covering elbows". It's "triple" just because our Taiji form repeats it 3 times in a row. Instead of spiraling the hand around, you can place the free hand on top and just roll your elbow over in a movement very similar to an overhand elbow strike.
I like the "covering elbow" version because the other guy doesn't even need to grab you. He just needs to place his palm anywhere on your forearm and press. I've had great luck applying it because so many people, especially in southern styles, are specifically trained to check the elbow. WC guys fall into this trap all the time. They think they are going to pak sau your arm across your centerline and instead get nikkyo'd to their knees.
The end posture in the form though is this: (TSDTexan says..see above photo...)
You generally won't get that low in application because waaaaaay before then the other guy is already tapping. But the arm position is about right.
So are there any videos or references to "covering elbow" that anyone can point to... or just give me a run down?
Am I understanding that when the recipient puts his hand on the forearm to shove, a covering hand wraps and the defender simply lowers their center quickly?
Or is it something else altogether?
This is from a multiple person discussion, and this poster is talking with Dan Djurdjevic.
I am reluctant to call it Xiao Chan because I really understand "xiao chan" to be a spiral in the opposite direction from what you presented. As such, the way I learned it anyways, it's applied against a cross arm grab as shown more commonly in moves like "Needle At Sea Bottom" or in Baji's move called..."xiao chan".
For a same side grab I have had all sorts of success with a technique called "triple covering elbows". It's "triple" just because our Taiji form repeats it 3 times in a row. Instead of spiraling the hand around, you can place the free hand on top and just roll your elbow over in a movement very similar to an overhand elbow strike.
I like the "covering elbow" version because the other guy doesn't even need to grab you. He just needs to place his palm anywhere on your forearm and press. I've had great luck applying it because so many people, especially in southern styles, are specifically trained to check the elbow. WC guys fall into this trap all the time. They think they are going to pak sau your arm across your centerline and instead get nikkyo'd to their knees.
The end posture in the form though is this: (TSDTexan says..see above photo...)
You generally won't get that low in application because waaaaaay before then the other guy is already tapping. But the arm position is about right.
So are there any videos or references to "covering elbow" that anyone can point to... or just give me a run down?
Am I understanding that when the recipient puts his hand on the forearm to shove, a covering hand wraps and the defender simply lowers their center quickly?
Or is it something else altogether?
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