drop bear
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Yep.
How to escape a wrist lock
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Yep.
A's right hand supposes to punch on B's face. Just for demo, A punches besides B's head.
Yes, and makes for really long nights at the dojo.
Trained a guy who was a third generation stone mason. Needed a chain saw to break his grip.
I think the title of this thread can be misleading. There is no wrist lock in that video.
Yeah.
You gotta skip the Title and read the content.
"I show how to use not a technique but body mechanics to fling your opponent away using only a little force."
My question is, "If you train how to push your opponent away, why don't you also train how to control his back leg when you push?"
1 point contact is push. 2 points contact in the opposite direction is throw. Will it be more useful to train how to throw than to train how to push?
Here is another example that when your opponent uses both hands to control your leading arm, you may have difficulty to punch him with your back hand.
Just by adding that simple back leg control, a push can become a throw.
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Depends on the situation. In a multiple attacker scenario you may not want to bring that person in especially if you are pushing that person away so you can deal with a new incoming threat. If you are only looking at "Body mechanics" then there is no need to train the technique. However if you want to set body mechanics to a purpose like "fling someone off me" then I would need to train both the body mechanics and the technique for that purpose. I can't train them separately. Training them separately would be like training form but not application..
Training Form = Clean Body Mechanics
Training Application = Actual Body Mechanics +technique
The OP was only looking at Body Mechanics. There was no technique in which those mechanics could power, as a result, those body Mechanics may not be accurate to fighting or flinging an opponent off of you.
Foot hooks are awesome. They are one of the few techniques I know where "less is more" In terms of brute strength they don't require any. Energy that is used to use a successful foot hook is truly minimum.
Why does it have to be one or the other. There are times when creating space might be useful, so why not train to do both?
Because if you know how to throw, you also know how to push. The other way around may not be true.
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That doesn't seem a counter to my suggestion that folks can train both. I don't think anything you've said here suggests that someone can't train the pushing away as a separate drill, and add in the structure control (foot trap, or whatever) that turns it into a throw.
The issue is in order to apply a throw, your arm and leg need to be coordinated together. In order to achieve the coordination, you can't train arm and leg separately.
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Actually, you can. It's less efficient in some ways, but you can certainly train the push/pull (arm) portion separately. There are some advantages to this (to go with some of the disadvantages), as the basic push-pull principles can be used with multiple throws, so training them separately develops basic structure control for multiple techniques.
And it trains for when you're not using that leg - just using the arms to control to set up for something else (as when pushing away to make space).
caped crusader
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I honestly think arm bar type locks are more effective in a real situation than wrist locks which are very hard to apply. much harder to get out of too
Standing arm bars aren't easy to maintain, and are fairly easy to get out of if you just move enough. IMO, in most cases all standing locks are transitional - they are best used to control/disrupt structure (or for pain compliance, if that happens to happen). To use most locks as restraint, you have to limit their ability to move, which is most easily done if they are no longer standing.
caped crusader
Brown Belt
yeah better on the ground....true dat
You may start arm bar when stand up. But you can end arm bar to put your opponent on the ground.
caped crusader
Brown Belt
yeah control a larger limb. a wrist is small and hard to get too.
The problem is when you lock your opponent's wrist, his elbow is still free. All he needs to to is to raise his elbow to counter the wrist lock.
If you've actually locked the wrist properly, the elbow is not free - it's controlled by structure. Anything less is only a partial lock.
Wrist locks are pretty situational. For instance, if someone manages to get their arm bent during an arm bar, there are at least 3 places where they pass through a wrist lock position (plus probably at least one shoulder lock position) while escaping.
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