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Do you have any clip for that?
How effective is the striking art?
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drop bear
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Some nice use of striking and clinching.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=k87Pv1dkseA
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=k87Pv1dkseA
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When clinch is established, it's better to take your opponent down ASAP. You can let your body weight and earth to do the striking for you.
IMO, the following clip is not the most efficiency way to deal with a conflict.
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AIKIKENJITSU
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If 2 persons spar for 10 rounds, how many rounds can one
- knock the other down?
- take the other down?
Will you say 5-5? I think the chance that one can take the other down is much higher than one can knock the other down. I used to think that a good striker and a good grappler are on 50-50 equal base. My opinion has changed lately.
How effective is the striking art? Here is a simple test.
- Hold both of your hands into a big fist by locking with your fingers.
- Hide your head behind that "wedged arms".
- Extend your arms toward at your opponent's face.
- Run toward your opponent like a mad man and try to use your big fist to hit on his face.
- Let your opponent to try to hit your head.
- You use your big fist along with your "wedged arms" to deflect your opponent's head shots.
- When your hands are close to your opponent's elbow, shoulder, neck, use arm wrap, over hook, under hook, head lock, ... and prevent your opponent from punching you again.
In the following picture, the sharp point is your big fist. 2 sides from that sharp point to the base are your arms. You hide your head in the yellow area.
If
1. your opponent's punch can hit your head, he wins that round.
2. you can use your big fist to hit on your opponent's face, or get him into an arm wrap, under hook, over hook, head lock, ... before he can hit you, you win that round.
Do you mind to try this with your opponent for 10 rounds and see what kind record that you and your opponent may come up with? Will it be
Hard to say who would win. I've studied a striking art my whole life and it has served me well on physical conflicts. I will say that if a grappler jumped me, I would use dirty tatics that he probably woun't think of because he's into tieing me into a knot. Eye jab, throat attack, groin, nose, ears, no rules. Of course if I don't do anything for say four seconds, then the expert grappler has me, probably. But i'm only 5'2" so a average size grappler may have trouble tieing me up? But martial artist don't usually attack each other, that's in the movies. I say take the art you enjoy and for self defense you'll be yards ahead of the guy that never study any.
drop bear
Sr. Grandmaster
It depends. If I am clinching and I am feeding the guy rabbit punches. Then I would not change position.
But ultimately I am not striking or clinching or grappling I am doing all of it at once.
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drop bear
Sr. Grandmaster
OK so you are head locked. And you are trying to suplex the guy. Now if you pick him up fine. If you can't then you will be fighting for position.
In that photo. You fight for wrist control and then you have a free hand to punch.
Eg.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QfhZtGMkYw8
drop bear
Sr. Grandmaster
If 2 persons spar for 10 rounds, how many rounds can one
- knock the other down?
- take the other down?
Will you say 5-5? I think the chance that one can take the other down is much higher than one can knock the other down. I used to think that a good striker and a good grappler are on 50-50 equal base. My opinion has changed lately.
How effective is the striking art? Here is a simple test.
- Hold both of your hands into a big fist by locking with your fingers.
- Hide your head behind that "wedged arms".
- Extend your arms toward at your opponent's face.
- Run toward your opponent like a mad man and try to use your big fist to hit on his face.
- Let your opponent to try to hit your head.
- You use your big fist along with your "wedged arms" to deflect your opponent's head shots.
- When your hands are close to your opponent's elbow, shoulder, neck, use arm wrap, over hook, under hook, head lock, ... and prevent your opponent from punching you again.
In the following picture, the sharp point is your big fist. 2 sides from that sharp point to the base are your arms. You hide your head in the yellow area.
If
1. your opponent's punch can hit your head, he wins that round.
2. you can use your big fist to hit on your opponent's face, or get him into an arm wrap, under hook, over hook, head lock, ... before he can hit you, you win that round.
Do you mind to try this with your opponent for 10 rounds and see what kind record that you and your opponent may come up with? Will it be
Hard to say who would win. I've studied a striking art my whole life and it has served me well on physical conflicts. I will say that if a grappler jumped me, I would use dirty tatics that he probably woun't think of because he's into tieing me into a knot. Eye jab, throat attack, groin, nose, ears, no rules. Of course if I don't do anything for say four seconds, then the expert grappler has me, probably. But i'm only 5'2" so a average size grappler may have trouble tieing me up? But martial artist don't usually attack each other, that's in the movies. I say take the art you enjoy and for self defense you'll be yards ahead of the guy that never study any.
What is stopping you getting your face uppecutted off?
That seems like a lot of unprotected face. Should the striker sidestep.
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everything is included in fighting weather punch, kick, knee, head butt, elbow. one must be trained every part and must be ready for every situation. http://www.karatejaipur.in/
As soon as you release one hand from your headlock grip to punch it becomes easier for your opponent to slip his head out from under your other arm and escape.
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That's why it's not wise to punch from that position. It's better to take your opponent down right at that moment. When you have your opponent's head, you have his whole body. It makes no sense to punch from any clinch position. After you have taken your opponent down on the ground, you will have all the time that you need to use your punches.
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I used to think like this but not any more. When talking about a "true" integration of kick, punch, lock, throw, and ground game, my idea has been evolved many times in the past.
- 1st, I tried to use kick, punch to set up a throw.
- later on, I tried to use kick, punch to set up clinch, I then use clinch to set up throw.
- lately, I try to by pass kick and punch, just image that I'm an octopus, use my "arm wrapping" to set up clinch, I then apply throw after that.
When you use strategy like this, if you exchange kicks and punches, you are playing your opponent's game and not your own game. Anything that may delay your "arm wrapping" will be to your dis-advantage.
An octopus doesn't need to use any kick, punch to wrap it's prey.
drop bear
Sr. Grandmaster
Then you could just 'play' it better.
It would be a weird octopus if it could punch and kick.
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Of course you can't make your opponent's punches and kicks to go away, but you can reduce your own kicks and punches and concentrate on your "arm wrapping".
We all like to be good in everything, but our life is too short for that.Then you could just 'play' it better.
drop bear
Sr. Grandmaster
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