Grandmaster?

[JadeDragon]

What do you think qualifies someone to be a Grandmaster?

 

[hoshin1600]

Grand...as in grandfather. A father who's offspring has also become a father.
Thus a master who's students have also become masters.
The hard part is to define master...good luck with that.

 

[now disabled]

For one not calling himself/herself that

 

[pdg]

For one not calling himself/herself that

If the title has been awarded by their organisation, then why is using it any different than using 'doctor'?

 

[now disabled]

If the title has been awarded by their organisation, then why is using it any different than using 'doctor'?

Ok point taken

I meant more that few Grandmasters refer to themselves as such ...students may and organisations may but they themselves in my view do not

 

[Reedone816]

For fairly conduct, the title should not be assigned by oneself, but as acknowledgement from others.

As for the system i currently in, we assigned it to the person that most advanced/knowledged in our current system, so it simple, challenge him/her, if you can beat him/her regardless of age you can become the grandmaster.

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[now disabled]

For fairly conduct, the title should not be assigned by oneself, but as acknowledgement from others.

As for the system i currently in, we assigned it to the person that most advanced/knowledged in our current system, so it simple, challenge him/her, if you can beat him/her regardless of age you can become the grandmaster.

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I wouldn't agree that beating a Grandmaster makes you a Grandmaster .

 

[Reedone816]

That is why i said it only in my system.
Of course beating it in accordance of the system.
For example in taichi, i might be wrong here, to gauge the understanding of the system is by sparring in push hand / tui sao, so in the system i currently in, if the student able to draw in tui sao against the master, than he is equal to the master.
But until now, that was never happened, so for the last two or three grandmaster generation, there was gap in knowledge, like the last one has over 20+ year knowledge gap with the late one, so for every generation, there was regression every time a grandmaster passed away.

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[now disabled]

That is why i said it only in my system.
Of course beating it in accordance of the system.
For example in taichi, i might be wrong here, to gauge the understanding of the system is by sparring in push hand / tui sao, so in the system i currently in, if the student able to draw in tui sao against the master, than he is equal to the master.
But until now, that was never happened, so for the last two or three grandmaster generation, there was gap in knowledge, like the last one has over 20+ year knowledge gap with the late one, so for every generation, there was regression every time a grandmaster passed away.

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Interesting you say regression ... maybe it just my reading of it but if that is the case then things are being lost or overlooked somewhere or they are not being passed on properly. ofcourse no two people can be compared however I would say imho that when any person is appointed as the head of a system/art/school of arts they should be preparing the successor well in advance as they themselves were as it imo highly unlikely that one day out of the blue they are named as such

 

[Xue Sheng]

What do you think qualifies someone to be a Grandmaster?

Ego and arrogance.

There are no Grandmasters in China....only Shifu.

 

[Reedone816]

Unfortunately it is, the last one had been groomed in intensive training since the late one was appointed as the gm by his gm in the death bed.
The late gm also not yet on par with his last gm in understanding the system.
When this late gm passed away its been about tens of year intensive training, but still there was gap in understanding.
So it was suspect in something lost, but there are hope that through time every new generation gm will reach the near understanding level of the late one.
So its more in comprehension of the passed knowledge, not in the knowledge itself.


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[MI_martialist]

If the title has been awarded by their organisation, then why is using it any different than using 'doctor'?

Because Doctor has standards that are universally recognized and is a DEGREE that one earns. It is very different.

 

[now disabled]

Because Doctor has standards that are universally recognized and is a DEGREE that one earns. It is very different.

I get your point, however again I'd say not all degrees are universally recognized by any means

 

[pdg]

Because Doctor has standards that are universally recognized and is a DEGREE that one earns. It is very different.

A doctor of physics is called doctor, I wouldn't ask his advice on an ingrown toenail.

A doctor of medicine is called doctor, I wouldn't ask him about string theory.

Likewise, I wouldn't ask a chess grand master for advice on my side kick.

Neither term is universal and is only recognised within it's own context...

A group of people got together and decided upon the academic achievements required to confer the title 'doctor', it wasn't handed down by a higher power. Likewise, a group of people got together and decided upon the requirements to confer the title 'grand master'.

 

[pdg]

Because Doctor has standards that are universally recognized and is a DEGREE that one earns. It is very different.

Oh, also...

Do I take it you're suggesting that nobody earns the grand master title?

 

[_Simon_]

Everyone shall now refer to me as Grandmaster, from now on.


I called dibs!

 

[pdg]

Everyone shall now refer to me as Grandmaster, from now on.


I called dibs!

Grand master of what?

 

[_Simon_]

Grand master of what?

Nah just Grandmaster will do. Covers all bases.

XD

 

[Headhunter]

I hate that term and refuse to use it. I don't see the point of it apart from ego flashing.

 

[skribs]

In KKW Taekwondo a Grand Master rank can be achieved at 7th or 8th degree black belt (I believe). Which means you must have been a black belt for a minimum of 21-28 years, probably more if you didn't test every time you were able to. If you assume Master at 5th degree and GM at 8th degree, that means 10 years to become a Master, and another 18 years after that to be a GM. As someone who is 30 years old and going for 3rd Dan next month, at a minimum I would be 55 years old before qualifying to be a grand master. I'd be old enough to be a grandfather (although probably won't be) and I would have spent more than half my life doing Taekwondo.

For one not calling himself/herself that

I think it depends on the situation. In Taekwondo, you wouldn't call yourself that unless you've earned the appropriate rank. At which point I don't see the problem with demanding people call you by the title the organization has bestowed upon you. I call my Master "Master" and I tell my students NOT to call me Master because I haven't earned it yet. (I say "I'm mister, I'm not a master yet...although I like the sound of that!"). When I have earned the title, you bet I'm going to insist on my students calling me Master.

However, if someone has extensive compiled experience in martial arts and creates their own art or system, can they not name themselves Grandmaster of their new system?