Wing Woo Gar
Grandmaster
Same. Sit on his lap and listen to stories.
Gene Lebell did NOT teach or fought with Bruce, here is the proof
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Wing Woo Gar
Grandmaster
Wow! Well done!
What a great post. Spot on, too.
Joe Lewis told me the same thing. We spoke of it several times.
And so did Wally Jay. Wally’s wife, Bernice, carried a photo in her purse. Her and Wally were living on the west coast and had a really nice gym downstairs in their basement.
Notable martial artists would come to their house frequently and Wally and them would head downstairs to work out.
Bernice told me, “Except for one, Bruce. Oh, my poor house. Bruce would come over and he and Wally would shove the couch against the wall and pile all the chairs on top of it. Then roll up the rug and start training right in the living room.”
Then she opens her purse and says to me, “wait, I have a photo.”
She shows me a black and white photo that she took. Wally and Bruce, drenched in sweat, smiling at the camera. All the framed pictures on the wall are crooked, the furniture is piled up, a lamp’s knocked over, there’s an end table on its side. It’s one of the greatest photos I’ve ever seen.
She said, “They liked working out in the living room because it’s next to the kitchen. I’d cook for them but wouldn’t let them eat until they straightened up the living room.”
Wally Jay and Bernice might be the nicest people I’ve ever met in the arts.
Sammy Naur
Blue Belt
Exactly..
Sorry I don't have the energy to write a more verbose response but this was a great post.
Bruce died young, Gene was not so lucky, but as Gore Vidal famously said of Truman Capote dying young, it was a "wise career move".
Judo guys die old and broken, it seems. At least that's my destiny.
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It’s probably as true as the claim that Steven Segal was choked by this LeBelle
Is that when he reportedly pooped his pants?
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Yes, for some reason the story goes as suchIs that when he reportedly pooped his pants?
Wing Woo Gar
Grandmaster
You say “ this” LeBelle like he was some unknown boaster. He was a legend, and a gorilla. People used to ask to get choked by him to get a patch. I don’t know if the Steven seagull story is true but I dont doubt it either.
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Yes, I’m sure he was seen as such in the US.
And Steven’s name ain’t seagull, it’s actually Siegelman
Xue Sheng
All weight is underside
No, actually i believe it is Seagel, since his father’s name was Samuel Seagal
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Paternal grandpas name was Siegelman, family Americanized it when immigrated to US
Relying on anyone's memory that far back is sketchy. Human memory is notoriously bad, and there's some evidence that the better we remember something (the clearer and more detailed the memory), the more likely it is to be incorrect. That's not to say that every detailed memory is incorrect, but that as memory shifts (a process that apparently happens each time we replay the memory), details can be added.
Thus, it's possible any of the memories involved here - or, indeed, all of them - are inaccurate.
Actually, lies are less likely to shift over time. Memories, however, change, so someone telling something as they remember it will vary likely change the story over time.
I originally heard it from someone of the right era who I think claimed to be there. Depending on my memory for this, which is worse than most.
That doesn't change that it was, in fact, his name. Saying his name was "actually" something else implies (or, more properly, states) that he was using a fake name (as some actors do). What you mean, I understand, was that the family's name used to be Siegelman.
Wing Woo Gar
Grandmaster
I call him seagull on purpose, I could not care less what his actual name is.
Probably only the seagulls would object to that.
On top of that, the more often you remember something, the more likely it is to be incorrect. In a very basic sense, every time you remember something, you're replacing your existing memory of the event. So the more you remember, the more often it gets replaced, and the more opportunities for the memory to be slightly changed (and expound on those changes).
This is true so long as the person remains aware that it's a lie. Sometimes people forget something started off as a lie, and so it gets transformed into a memory.
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