Stuart, I just started this thread to vent about how much i hate this form. you guys can chat about anything you want to, i LOVE thread drift, in fact i cause it all the time, like this:
Well, in that case...
The initial dip of the knees facilitates a more subtle motion which, in my experience, allows you to shift the body with less likelihood of forming a saw-toothed wave.
Not in my opinion, but we are of course allowed different views
I didn't say it was a small typo but the encyclopedia is a huge work. There are several editorial errors in it that continued through many editions (and new errors crop up with new editions!). This update could be another example of that.
Its a massive omission.. nothing short of it! The smaller omissions I see as errors, but the newer sine wave is such a bedrock of the ITF's that its almost unthinkable not to update it within 20 years and many many reprints!
Your assertion here about politics is only partially true. When GM Park, Jung Tae left/got kicked out of the ITF the General made a concerted effort to emphasize the initial downward motion of sine wave. But others have pointed out that this relaxing of the knees was present before, albeit not as emphasized. It's part of the idea of keeping the body relaxed until the end of a movement.
Why then was it not taught by the No.1 technical man in charge of this part of the ITF! It may have been seen before, but this could have been entirely by accident.. Gen Choi was very forthright in his views, so IMO, if he felt it was the way forward he would have made a concerted effort to make it that way - in fact he would have told Master park to teach it that way I believe!
1) This is debatable to say the least - personally I generate much more power with the initial dip than without it
Very debatable indeed - nothing I have ever seesn says this, so its simply your feeling.. even ITF-V's scientific tests at a university didnt reveal this, lesser scientific tests have reveal the opposite however! By lesser, i simply mean under less control conditions.
2) irrelevant because both forms of sine wave are primarily used as teaching devices to show students how to shift body mass in order to get maximum power from their techniques; any form of sine wave is going to be quite abbreviated when one is sparring sparring, training in self-defense, etc..
Not really - one can be utilized quite quickly, making it applicable to SD.. one cannot however!
3) This last statement is, to put it frankly, absurd to say nothing of disrespectful.
As i said prevously, "Gullible" was a wrong term. What i meant to say is that a) students dont have a choice and b) pointing out so and so teaches it is irrelevant if they came under Gen Choi, as Gen choi was the first and last word on the subject. more to the point is those that DON'T teach it.. and why! including some no longer in the ITF who were top students/pioneers. Now I know some are due to timelines, but others are due to not beliveing in it. I spoke personally to Master Willy Lim who says he was the man who Gen Choi tested the sine-wave on initally and he doesnt rate it at all!
It's your attitude demonstrated here that makes me dislike posting in the same threads as you to say nothing of even answering your posts.
I dont have an attitude, a few misplaced words was all.. besides, you said in your fist sentence how you enjoyed it! More to the point, I do apologise for comming across in that way, it is not my intention. I can be strong in my views, but I do respect others opinions, such as yours, also.
You do some very good things for Taekwon-Do and then post stuff like this which just doesn't do yourself justice.
Sometimes the truth is justice enough!
As I said before, there are other editorial errors in the encyclopedia still.
As I said, if it were something minor then i could accept that, but its not, its a glaring omission that could ahve been corrected with 1 photo and perhaps 1 line of text - it wasnt and thus this speaks volumes!
There are things that are not covered or only given cursory treatment in the encyclopedia. Your view of the book seems to be - from other posts on kidokwan - that it contains everything and this is simply not the case.
I view the book as the way Gen Choi felt things should be, hence why he wrote it. Latter things could easily be contributed to external influences.. the boomremains his bed rock however.
It's a great guide, but not the final word. If you want some media treatment of sine wave covering the initial dip there are several official DVD's out there that do so.
Not by General Choi!! Even the video master Weiss posted of the clp from th legacy CD doesnt show it!!!
Heck, you've seen the video of Gen. Choi doing so.
yes
Despite this you still can't accept how things are.
Its a video of a latter stage, we already know he changed it.... its the reason for the change and its effects that concern me. the video simply shows him supporting that changes.. it doesnt show or say why it occured or what the benefits are! Again, it goes to the Generals word being final and binding.. that doesnt make it correct!
There's a big debate over who actually owns that stuff now.
But still reprinst over the last 20 years have been done!!
There have been DVD's produced such as Master Choi's Master Class DVD that shows sine wave with the initial downwards motion.
Goes back to the final ways of Gen Choi.. as I said, it doesnt explain anything, it just copies what Gen choi wanted -no why he wanted them. for all you know the NK's could have asked him to do it just because!!!
Or you could simply go to a seminar given by, well, just about anyone in the ITF.
I have been and when I questions stuff the master taking it was suck for a response and simply said thats the way ITF do it now!
You're in the UK and are surrounded by great ITF people. Why not give GM Rhee or Master Nichols a call and get their input on this subject?
Maser nicolls follows the final version and GM Rhee was chastised by gen Choi for not doing the newer version right in 1999 and even if he does now, it doesnt mean a thing as they are simply being loyal to Gen Choi, which whilst I respect that, it doesnt make the newer sine wave right!!!
I think that would be great for an article for the next issue of Totally Taekwon-Do.
feel free to write it .. all sides, all opinions need to be represented. in fact I have already contacted Master McPhail about his "Ways of Motion" article as I feel it would be of interest to ITF'rs - that doesnt mean i agree with it personally, but the magazine is open to all.
No, this is exactly part of the issue because sometimes errors or changes are not, in fact, made in subsequent editions.
Again, you can use that reasoning if you like, but considering how uch this effects ITF'ers, I dont subscribe to a simple omission or oversight.. sorry!
That's academia for you and to a large extent that's Taekwon-Do for you. [/qoute]
Not really. Not everyone could afford or egt to study with the General, hence his books need to be accurate.. to me its that simple.
Stuart
