Flash Mobs and race

[billc]

And yet, the democrats were still the klan members, from wikipedia on the indiana politics:

David Curtiss "Steve" Stephenson (21 August 1891 – 28 June 1966) was an American Grand Dragon(state leader) of the Ku Klux Klan in the U.S. state of Indiana and 22 other Northern states. He is considered to have been one of the most successful Klan leaders up until his downfall after his conviction for murder. His trial and imprisonment contributed to the end of the second wave of Klan activity in the 1920s.
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• 1 Grand Dragon of the Ku Klux Klan
• 2 Convicted of murder
• 3 Cultural reference
• 4 References
• 5 Further reading
• 6 External links

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[h=2][edit]Grand Dragon of the Ku Klux Klan[/h]Stephenson was born in Houston, Texas, and moved with his family to Maysville, Oklahoma, where he worked as a printer's apprentice and was active in the Socialist Party. In 1920, he moved to Irvington, Indiana, where he became a salesman and joined the Democratic Party and the Ku Klux Klan. In that same year, he ran unsuccessfully for a Democratic Congressional nomination.[SUP][1][/SUP] In November 1922, Stephenson backed Hiram Wesley Evans in his attempt to unseat William J. Simmons as Imperial Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan; upon Evans' ascendancy, Stephenson was made Grand Dragon of Indiana and 22 other northernstates.

 

[elder999]

And yet, the democrats were still the klan members,.

Don't see a single white sheet in that photo, just lots of white faces, including a few women, who weren't Klan members in that particular iteration.

 

[billc]

From PBS on the ku klux klan and their mob activities against republicans:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/general-article/grant-kkk/

t the time of

Ulysses S. Grant's election to the presidency, white supremacists were conducting a reign of terror throughout the South. In outright defiance of the Republican-led federal government, Southern Democrats formed organizations that violently intimidated blacks and Republicans who tried to win political power.
The most prominent of these, the Ku Klux Klan, was formed in Pulaski, Tennessee, in 1865. Originally founded as a social club for former Confederate soldiers, the Klan evolved into a terrorist organization. It would be responsible for thousands of deaths, and would help to weaken the political power of Southern blacks and Republicans.

SO, THE HISTORY OF THE DEMOCRAT PARTY INVOLVED MOB ACTION AND TERRORISM, AS WELL AS SLAVERY, JIM CROW AND SEGREGATION. THIS IS OFF TOPIC, BUT I BELIEVE THE PHOTOGRAGH DESERVED TO BE PUT IN THE RIGHT CONTEXT, ESPECIALLY WITH THE INCREDIBLY DUMB REMARKS BY JANEANE GARAFALO. I WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO CONTINUE ON ANOTHER THREAD TO ALLOW THIS THREAD TO GO BACK TO MODERN MOB VIOLENCE, BY LEFT LEANERS.

 

[billc]

Sheets or not, they were still democrats. The founding of the klan was to fight freed slaves and republicans who freed the slaves. In the discussion of recent mob violence in Britain as well as here in the states, where would one guess the political leanings of the mob actors would be? Sleep tight. Oh, before I leave, what was that one word in the wikipedia article, I almost missed it in my comments,

Grand Dragon of the Ku Klux Klan[/h]Stephenson was born in Houston, Texas, and moved with his family to Maysville, Oklahoma, where he worked as a printer's apprentice and was active in the Socialist Party.

Can you say, "Socialist."

 

[elder999]

SO, THE HISTORY OF THE DEMOCRAT PARTY INVOLVED MOB ACTION AND TERRORISM, AS WELL AS SLAVERY, JIM CROW AND SEGREGATION. THIS IS OFF TOPIC, BUT I BELIEVE THE PHOTOGRAGH DESERVED TO BE PUT IN THE RIGHT CONTEXT, ESPECIALLY WITH THE INCREDIBLY DUMB REMARKS BY JANEANE GARAFALO. I WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO CONTINUE ON ANOTHER THREAD TO ALLOW THIS THREAD TO GO BACK TO MODERN MOB VIOLENCE, BY LEFT LEANERS.

Why are you shouting? :lfao:

Sheets or not, they were still democrats.

Yes, I could tell that by the great big "Ds" tatooed on their foreheads, as was the custom in 1930. :lfao:

Marion county voted with a Republican majority from before the time of that lynching right up until 2004, which was the very first year it presented a Democrat majority in a Presidential election. Sorry. Have a look at the Indiana election results back to 1920

In the discussion of recent mob violence in Britain as well as here in the states, where would one guess the political leanings of the mob actors would be?

I'd guess that they didn't have any political leanings.

 

[Archangel M]

I think it's interesting we are discussing the root causes of kids "flash mobbing" after twittering on their smartphones as being an issue of ...poverty.

I've been around parts of the globe and seen people living in cardboard box slums. Here in the US people have a strange idea of what poverty is.

 

[elder999]

I think it's interesting we are discussing the root causes of kids "flash mobbing" after twittering on their smartphones as being an issue of ...poverty.

I've been around parts of the globe and seen people living in cardboard box slums. Here in the US people have a strange idea of what poverty is.

I'm not. "Discussing the root causes of kids 'flash mobbing' after twittering on their smartphones as being an issue of...poverty" that is.

It's not an issue of poverty. People caught looting in London had jobs, some of them good ones. One was a millionaire's daughter.

It's not an issue of culture-as I've demonstrated, people have always behaved this way, from time to time, and in a variety of cultures. (See: Armenian genocide, Kristallnacht, or Sand Creek Massacre)

It's not an issue of race-as I've demonstrated, people have always behaved this way, from time to time, and in a variety of cultures.(See above, again, and elsewhere, forever, and ever, and ever, amen.....)

It is seriously not areligiouspolitical, or party issue-people have always behaved this way, from time to time, and across various party, political and religious lines. (See Sand Creek Massacre, committed by John Chivington, Republican and Methodist ministe, just for starters, or look to Hindu on Muslim violence, or Republican on union violence, or union on republican violence, etc., etc., etc.) In fact, anyone who tries to color them that way is an.....well, they're clearly missing the big picture.

It's a human issue. Pure and simple. Rory Miller wrote about mob violence in his excellent Meditations on Violence-he gives it the rather unfortunate (for these circumstances) but accurate name of the group monkey dance.

People have always behaved like this, from time to time, and it doesn't matter what race or culture, or even how they were raised. In a mob, "right and wrong" go right out the window.

 

[MA-Caver]

Hmmm...it may escape Janeane Garafalo, but I would wager a princely sum that the people in that photo voted for democrats at the time that picture was taken, that the people who did this horrible thing were democrats and the police who obviously stood by were democrats and if those responsible went to trial, the jury that let them walk was composed of democrats.

I personally don't think it matters one damned bit what political leaning those and other people have. Racial hatred doesn't belong to any one particular group of people. It's mulch-cultural. Look at how early Australians treated the native Aborigines... were they (early Aussies) democrats? Probably not... but they sure as hell were white. Japanese long hated the Chinese and committed atrocities ... were they democrats? How about Russians and Jews, Germans and Jews and the rest of non-Aryan Europe. Spaniards and Aztecs/Mayans/Incas... Conquerors? Sure... but still racially motivated beyond the lust for gold or other treasures. European nations viewing themselves as racially superior (more civilized) to the savage blacks of Africa during early colonists days of the 16th and 17th centuries.
Race hatred has been with mankind for centuries.
Race hatred has been and always will be a bad and terrible thing and it will slow man's technological, sociological and psychological progress until it is eradicated completely.

 

[Archangel M]

I'm not. "Discussing the root causes of kids 'flash mobbing' after twittering on their smartphones as being an issue of...poverty" that is.

You may not be, but others have. The critics of the Philly mayor have framed it as a poverty issue. And while you are right. For some reason the current wave of "Flash Mobbing crime" seems to be more popular among a particular population. Time will tell if its a media "tempest in a teapot" or a real problem I guess. From my perspective Im wondering if its a problem worth preparing for.

 

[Archangel M]

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2011-08-18-flash-mobs-police_n.htm

A recent survey of 106 retailers nationwide by the National Retailer Federation showed that 80% had experienced multiple-offender crimes in the past six months and one in 10 had been hit by a criminal flash mob, says Joseph LaRocca, a senior adviser with the group. "These crimes are not new," he says. "What's new is the social network and Internet activity to coordinate these ad hoc attacks against stores." He adds: "We're still trying to figure out how best to address these issues."

 

[RandomPhantom700]

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2011-08-18-flash-mobs-police_n.htm

I'm really not trying to make excuses or anything, but .80 x 106=84.8. So, 85 stores in the last six months have "experienced multiple-offender crimes." That means anything from one person distracting the retail clerk while a second grabs the merchandise, to two employees beating up a manager, to the flash mobs that inspired this thread. And by "retailers", do we mean major chain stores like Sears or individual stores in a specific area?

I bring this up because that stat really doesn't tell us much, and sounds like the type of media coverage that sensationalizes.