I would've loved to have kept it civil, however, a certain individual had to make it personal and then asked a question which required multiple responses, outside the original posting.
When you have 'certain' individuals who are wanting to cause trouble, it makes it hard to continue a discussion. I believe I handled it respectfully, productive and mature!!
So I take it there's no apology? Oh, and as for "respectfully, productive and mature!!", I'd suggest no, personally. I don't consider accusations of stalking respectful, nor the lack of apology when the lack of base for such an accusation is pointed out, refusing to clarify what you're saying, trying to get things taken to PM when it's not needed, arbitrarily shutting down conversations because you don't understand what you're being asked, and then putting people on ignore rather than listen to them (or everyone else who say there was no personal attack nor any emotionally heated comments from my side) is hardly "productive", and as for "mature!!"? Nope, not really...
Indie12 said:
And yes, I just used the "ignore" button and it works wonders!
Works wonders how? There weren't any more answers from me, and all it means is that you can ignore my requests from previous posts...
Indie12 said:
That's why I terminated the conversation, in order to maintain the peace! However, I do disagree, with the PM mention. If a conversation or question requires more written room then there's room in the forum for (not sure what the limited space for text in the forums are), then shouldn't a PM or e-mail be considered to continue to conversation?
Just to clarify, PMs do have a character limit, as well as there being a limit on the number of messages you can have, which is not the case for in thread posts. So, uh, nope. That argument has no merit. And that's not what the PM function is there for.
Agreed in regards to how the thread might've been misread or misinterpreted. Although, I have a different opinion about the use of the PM, especially if the topic does become 'emotionally charged' and things are said. That's what I meant when I mentioned the PM. Plus, the point of the topic wasn't anything in specific, which is how and why I chose the PM route. True, no one learns anything by PM or e-mail (which I don't do, 'e-mail' on a message board, too risky). However, I also believe when an individual requests information on a boarder and specific oriented conversation, I.E. 'specific details' certaining a large and broad topic, PM's are appropriate based on the space saved by using it rather then the forum. I mean if a discussion forum has PM's and then complains by the use of them, then what's the point of having or allowing PM's to begin with? Or allowing e-mail interaction via forum? Doesn't make sense.
PMs and emails are for personal interaction between members so as not to detract from a thread, questions posed in thread to do with the thread itself should be answered in the thread itself. And you can't really get more thread related than someone asking the thread starter "What are you referring to here?"
Indie12 said:
But bottom line, I'm all for having a good civil and respectful discussion and debate, but when someone starts insulting or questioning your understanding of the very topic you posted, it makes it quite hard to keep it civil! (Which is why certain buttons work wonders!)
The only insult was your reading of it, it was clarified a number of times that no insult was intended or implied. Perhaps that should have been noted while you protested and yelled (frequent exclamation marks, capitals etc are taken as "shouting" in most cases...) about what you misread in posts. For instance my asking for clarification of what you mean when you refer to "martial arts" as I found the OP to be too vague and lacking in detail, to have you respond "Did you read the OP? did it look like I put any details there!!"... uh, no, hence my asking for more details(?)...
Indie12 said:
I'd be more than happy to return to the topic originally discussed and hear other's opinions. But I don't tolerate disrepect and that's what happened in this case!
Point it out. Seriously, point it out.
Agree/Disagree!! He certainly didn't show me any of that!!
You do realize that noone else can see any disrespect towards you, yeah?
Indie12 said:
And if everyone would please take another look at the initial topic, I did include 'IN YOUR OWN OPINION'!! Also, If you notice I left the topic broad for a number of reasons, they are ALOT of elements to this topic, therefore by making it detailed oriented, or specific oriented, it would take alot of space and debate just to get through all the little bits and pieces of them. That's why this topic was left broad, it made for a better discussion (until recently) where there was no set specifics or details, just an overall impression.
Er, yeah, hence the request for clarification... you know, to further conversation...
Oh, and if you're going to make such a big deal about putting "IN YOUR OPINION" there, how was my putting my opinion down, which you misinterpreted and immediately responded with "Negative", then continued to miss what I was saying, telling me that I was talking about something I wasn't, how is that being respectful of my opinion? Hmm.
Indie12 said:
When he asked for specific details, I DID give him a brief rundown, although I must say that's not easy given the amount of materials for each section. But sometimes you just can't satisfy everyone and this was one of those times!
The vagaries you gave, basically a stripped down version of the definitions I presented in my first post in this thread, is hardly you giving further details, hence my continued, and more specific request.
Indie12 said:
I'm all for having a great civic and good discussion, but when another party starts questioning one's intelligence or understanding of the topic they posted, or when another party brings up materials irrelevant to the current discussion, it makes it quite hard to have a civil and intelligent debate! Which is exactly the reason why I ceased the conversation, 1) it wasn't going anywhere, and didn't make much sense. 2) items were being brought into it which were irrelevant to the topic at hand. I've read the rules and regulations for this forum, one of them which states basically, there will no personal insults, attacks, or remarks (I dont' have the exact wording) but it seems to me that's what happened here, with the other party initating that part of the conversation. Sure I'm just as guilty for participating, but I'm also the one who ceased the conversation. I'm just saying, good conversations and discussions usually are done with disagreements and agreements, but not with insults or assumptions! And I've done quite a few discussions!!
You're hardly dealing with someone new to debate, online or otherwise, when it comes to myself or the other members here, you know. And can you please point out where asking about the parameters of your categories is not related to the thread?
Honestly, you seem to have misunderstood, or misinterpreted the intent behind a comment, and gotten emotionally charged without present due cause, which has brought us to here. I know that you won't see this, but I'm kinda hoping that you're going to give in to that little "show post" button, and re-evaluate your actions and perception of my posts, as there really isn't anything that you're seeing. If not, there's not much hope for that apology, I suppose....
I'll leave it with you.