DAwkins interviews creationist automaton

[yorkshirelad]

Those who choose to join the Christian church have something in common. Those who don't really don't. I'm no more lumped in with other non-Christians than in the default way I am lumped in with other non-soccer players. I haven't joined a group those two are associated with--I've not joined a large number of groups they didn't join. Incidentally, Stalin's atheism was secondary to his communism.

Not having a property is its own sort of property, but not generally an interesting one. But electing to join an org. is an affirmative statement. Atheists don't sign a statement of disbelief, but Catholics (say) all have a pretty coherent set of specific beliefs, or at least profess to.

I didn't choose Catholicism, Catholicism was chosen for me, at birth. I have rejected it and belong to no religious organization. I happen to believe in God. You have managed to somehow lump me in with religious organizations and those that have committed atrocities on belhalf of religion. I then choose to lump you in with other non believers, even the one's who have committed atrocities.

I still don't know how this is supposed to convince me that God doesn't exists. I don't have a problem with your non belief. Why do you have a problem with my belief?

 

[celtic_crippler]

I'm going to worship the sun... But I'm gonna pray to Joe Pesci

 

[yorkshirelad]

You claimed that Hitler was an atheist. This is false; he was a Roman Catholic. The Nazis also had their own "Positive Christianity" that was meant to mesh well with Nazism.

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In the same way that Anton La Vey was a Satanist. Did he believe in Satan as a being?

 

[arnisador]

I don't know.

 

[Tez3]

In the same way that Anton La Vey was a Satanist. Did he believe in Satan as a being?

Jimmy Saville? C'mon, no ones that sad!!! lol!

 

[Jenna]

Jimmy Saville? C'mon, no ones that sad!!! lol!

Jim fixed it for me!

 

[Omar B]

I'm going to worship the sun... But I'm gonna pray to Joe Pesci

Dammit! Your god (the sun) fuels my god's (Superman) powers! Should I trade up a level, or stay. Dammit, the sun never battled Doomsday or Darksied!

 

[Jenna]

You people are sabotaging this thread!! Quick, everybody out.. the FEDS are coming!

 

[yorkshirelad]

Jim fixed it for me!

I don't have a Jim'll Fix it badge, but I do have a soap on a rope somewhere. My 'thanks' is still not working so just take it as read Jenna and Tez.
LOL:rofl:

 

[celtic_crippler]

I'm a might thirsty...anybody got some good ole' Jim Jones Kool-Aid?

 

[celtic_crippler]

Back on topic...the real one...or at least the original one that started the thread.

From TIME 11/5/06. The article "God VS Science" is a good read and pertains to the topic of the thread.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1555132,00.html

Can religion stand up to the progress of science? This debate long predates Darwin, but the antireligion position is being promoted with increasing insistence by scientists angered by intelligent design and excited, perhaps intoxicated, by their disciplines' increasing ability to map, quantify and change the nature of human experience. Brain imaging illustrates--in color!--the physical seat of the will and the passions, challenging the religious concept of a soul independent of glands and gristle. Brain chemists track imbalances that could account for the ecstatic states of visionary saints or, some suggest, of Jesus.

 

[yorkshirelad]

I'm a might thirsty...anybody got some good ole' Jim Jones Kool-Aid?

If it's the Jim Jones kind, I'd be interested in seeing you drink it. :rofl:

 

[yorkshirelad]

Back on topic...the real one...or at least the original one that started the thread.

From TIME 11/5/06. The article "God VS Science" is a good read and pertains to the topic of the thread.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1555132,00.html

Again, it's amazing that you continually want to prove to the faithful that the deity does not exist. There is no way of knowing. You don't believe, I do. Why do you find that so offensive.

 

[celtic_crippler]

If it's the Jim Jones kind, I'd be interested in seeing you drink it. :rofl:

So Mr. Christian wishes me to die? Perhaps you should char my skin with hot pokers until I confess first?

Again, it's amazing that you continually want to prove to the faithful that the deity does not exist. There is no way of knowing. You don't believe, I do. Why do you find that so offensive.

What are you talking about?

This article in TIME pits Dawkins against another well-known scientst, Collins, in a debate over creation. Isn't that what a lot of you wanted instead of the dumb blonde?

Why don't you read the article before making more assumptions.

TIME: Could the answer be God?

DAWKINS: There could be something incredibly grand and incomprehensible and beyond our present understanding.

COLLINS: That's God.

DAWKINS: Yes. But it could be any of a billion Gods. It could be God of the Martians or of the inhabitants of Alpha Centauri. The chance of its being a particular God, Yahweh, the God of Jesus, is vanishingly small--at the least, the onus is on you to demonstrate why you think that's the case.

 

[Andrew Green]

I didn't choose Catholicism, Catholicism was chosen for me, at birth. I have rejected it and belong to no religious organization. I happen to believe in God. You have managed to somehow lump me in with religious organizations and those that have committed atrocities on belhalf of religion. I then choose to lump you in with other non believers, even the one's who have committed atrocities.

I still don't know how this is supposed to convince me that God doesn't exists. I don't have a problem with your non belief. Why do you have a problem with my belief?

This is a bit of a logic flaw.

There are all sorts of instances of people using religion to justify atrocities. No one ever commits atrocities using atheism as a justification. People commit atrocities for all sorts of reasons, sometimes they are religion motivated, other times not. A leader can use religion as justification, or motivation to commit a action. You cannot use a lack of belief, it simply makes no sense.

I have no problem with your belief in God, you are welcome to believe in whatever God(s) you choose. However, I do have a problem with your poor logic and attempts to call a lack of faith in religious ideas, a religious idea. I have problems when people try and push faith based ideas into science. I have a problem when people try and push faith based ideas into public policy.

 

[yorkshirelad]

So Mr. Christian wishes me to die? Perhaps you should char my skin with hot pokers until I confess first?
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I don't wish you to die. It was an attempt at humour, hence the laughing icon. As for the article being about the argument for evolution, I know. I agree with evolution. I believe it is fact. You are preaching to the choir. iThe article is interesting, but it ads nothing to the debate. That is why the debate is mute. As I've said before I believe in both God and evolution.

 

[Omar B]

logic and attempts to call a lack of faith in religious ideas, a religious idea

I always thought of it as referring to bald as a hair color.

 

[yorkshirelad]

This is a bit of a logic flaw.
I have no problem with your belief in God, you are welcome to believe in whatever God(s) you choose. However, I do have a problem with your poor logic and attempts to call a lack of faith in religious ideas, a religious idea. I have problems when people try and push faith based ideas into science. I have a problem when people try and push faith based ideas into public policy.

Thanks for not having a problem with my belief in God.

My point is that some people have committed atrocities because they have considered themselves the Alpha and the Omega. Their belief in themselves over the deity has resulted in treating people as their own will dictates. To place all believers in the category as those who have committed atrocities in the name of their god is ridiculous.

 

[celtic_crippler]

I don't wish you to die. It was an attempt at humour, hence the laughing icon. As for the article being about the argument for evolution, I know. I agree with evolution. I believe it is fact. You are preaching to the choir. iThe article is interesting, but it ads nothing to the debate. That is why the debate is mute. As I've said before I believe in both God and evolution.

Uh-huh...

And I know you didn't read the article based on that post. It's about a lot more than that...

So much for my attempt to get the thread back on track. :shrug:

Anyway...I did find this Dawkins quote interesting...

If there is a God, it's going to be a whole lot bigger and a whole lot more incomprehensible than anything that any theologian of any religion has ever proposed.

I find that is more in line with my way of thinking.

I simply don't think "man" has what it takes to comprehend such a thing. I don't oppose the idea of a "GOD" so much as I oppose those that are absolutely certain that theirs is the one and only.

 

[blindsage]

Reason, evidence...using one's powers of logic and deduction, as opposed to faith and guesswork.

What do you base that logic and deduction on?