what are you arguing with me about??? you respond to me as if i am retarded.....
I touch a nerve? I am not inferring that you are retarded. You made a self-refuting statement in a debate on a martial arts forum.I called you on that and then I went on to make statements supporting my position and demonstrating the errors in the position that you are advocating. I did do in a direct manner.There is nothing in my posts that is intended as a personal attack nor am I speaking down to you. Debate and sharing viewpoints is the purpose of martial arts forums.Now I'm going to address the rest of the points that you have raised in the remainder of this post. Note that I am addressing your post and not making personal attacks on you.
the mind is the most powerful weapon in the universe... it starts and ends here... if your mind is conditiond by rules and codes you will act as such... and you will be a victim....mentally one must have no boundaries...
This is interesting. Everyone's mind is conditioned by rules and codes. We all act in accordance with that programing. We can't all be victims, therefore I would think that it is more a matter of what sort of conditioning a given fighters mind has undergone.I, and most other soldiers, have have mental boundaries yet we are able to function just fine under conditions where we are faced with serious levels of violence.If we must not have boundaries to survive a violent encounter, how is it that there are so many of us walking around with combat patches?Is it because we are conditioned different mentally?Is it because we have a skill set, both armed and unarmed that we have tested in training, under realistic conditions, against resisting opponents? If either of the preceding answers are correct then shouldn't we apply those lessons learned to the benefit of any student that we train? If not, should we instead trust our safety and the safety of our students to purely theoretical knowledge?
the mindset that faster and stronger and bigger is better must be erradicated so that all that is present in opposition is a heaping mound of flesh and bone that must be injured
Nice use of hyperbole to support an indefensible position.
Stronger,faster, and bigger is better.It is why actual martial artist and professional fighter train to increase their speed,strength, mass, and other physical factor that make a fighter more effective.
If two fighter are of equal skill, do you think that the fighter that is more physically fit, stronger, and better conditioned won't have a tremendous(nearly insurmountable even) advantage over the fighter that isn't?Reliance on dirty tricks in a fight are a poor substitute for actually being able to fight.On a similar note, a well conditioned and fit fighter can throw the dreaded eye-gouge too. The well conditioned fighter can also target the groin, throat, knee, ear clap, and EVERY SINGLE DIRTY TRICK that any non-conditioned fighter can, and will in point of fact be better at it than a fighter who isn't fit.
Size, strength, and speed matter. Those factor matter so much, in fact, that athletes form other contact sports like football, and hockey can usually hold their own in a street fight against most martial arts black belts.The reason that most boxers and wrestlers fare better in street altercations that the typical black belt is due to the methodology of their training and the focus on building all those physical attributes in particular.
how much time do you plan on spending training them to gain power and speed etc????? what if after the first class they get raped on the way to the car???? all you did that night was work on punching and coordination maybe have em hit the bag or spar... they probably leave feeling energized and empowered until bubba whos fresh out of the clink comes up and throws her into the back of his van..... where is your martial arts...??? its on its way to a remote location to be raped and murdered...
What if after the first class she doesn't get randomly attacked in the parking lot? What if she goes and gets ice cream and reads a nice novel after she gets home? What if she earns a degree in French literature, marries a nice guy, has a couple of kids, a rewarding career, and retires in the south of France.Your scenario is a lot less likely. The overwhelming majority of rapes are acquaintance rapes and the variable in the scenarion would be much different.None the less. lets use the worst case scenario instead of the most realistic one.
What if after the first class, when Bubba grabbed her she hit him with a straight right to the bridge of the nose? While he is reacting to the hit she runs away and calls the police? What if, while feeling all empowered as opposed to being spoon fed the idea that she will be a victim, she deters her assailant with she elects to fight back and does so successfully thanks to actually receiving realistic training that included a resistant training partner so she could learn what movements work for her?
We can play the what if game ad nauseum. Producing a confident, physically fit, well-trained martial artist will always be the smarter training methodology.You may not agree, such is your option.
so what you put pads on and went full bore.... does she even know what she is hhitting or what effect it may have.... so what you taught her how to block ,hopefully the guy is not twice her weight or shes broke...so what you taught her to disarm someone, you just doomed her to concentrate on the tool as the threat and not the attackers mind.... so what you put pads on and went all out, you successfully taught her to run around in a frantic heap in search for an end to the "chaos".... all of that is just dancing to me... or beating around the bush...
I am forced to wonder what experience you have training in a heavy contact enviornment."Full bore" contact doesn't start from day one.The student begins at light contact and works their way up as they progress in ability and experience.As to this hypothetical she, and her not knowing what she is hitting I am always careful to point out to her that the target is the other person, specifically the one trying to hit her.I have found that in an alive training enviornment that targeting issues are a bit self-evident.
As to your statement of "so what you taught her how to block ,hopefully the guy is not twice her weight or shes broke" I must say I am indeed confused.If, as you say, size and strength do not matter, then why the concern about her safety in training?Does putting on the pads and participating in sparring make her brittle?
all of that is just dancing to me... or beating around the bush
How is training to actually fight by doing so beating around the bush if the goal of training is to be good at self-defense?I would think that quite the opposite is true. By getting in there and putting forth effort to become a good fighter any martial artist is taking the most direct route to skill at fighting.
first empower the mind... then target the anatomical weaknesses all humans have.... you are there at that moment in time to injure that person... not to run through your treasure trove of techniques or exercise your social prowess.... you are there to use violence as a survival tool first and last.... no more and no less
The most effective tools to use in a fight are simple, efficient, techniques, that have been internalized to a degree that their use is second nature. You don't get that level of internalization in a week long self defense seminar.It comes through repetitions.Even then, the effectiveness of those techs will be limited by the physical attributes of the person executing those movements. There is no shortcut, not death touch, no secret"punch them here and the bad guy will go away" button.There is only solid technique, performed by a physically capable fighter.
it just does not seem to come out as easy as I would like... it almost seems like a bunch of rambling...
Happens to us all.The rambling, I mean. I posted a few weeks ago whilst taking a bunch of cold medicine.Not a great moment for lucidity.
bottom line...
combatives for women= understanding and accquiring targets with the purpose of injury wich leads to consistent and effective violence as a survival tool....
Way bottom line, or at least a corollary thereof:the only way that the understanding and acquiring of targets to do all that great violence has any effect is when that knowledge is put into practice by a person that can physically perform those techniques and can do so with speed and power.Otherwise all that that mindset will produce is a person that knows about fighting but can't actually fight.
being good at it, not so much.
once a 10 year old boy grabbed my arm and spun himself like a top taking my arm with him... If I was just an average joe, it would have broken in a couple of places but i caught it in time and was able to twist out of it before my arm reached its pathological limit.
What in your training allowed you to respond quickly enough to avoid injury?
1.Your knowledge of what to do.
2.Your physical conditioning that allowed you to put that knowledge into practice?
3. A combination of the two factors.
I tend to think three.
if it is that easy w/o training... imagine its effectiveness when that is all that is trained
This statement demonstrated the truth of my argument. Training makes a person better at performing the skill that is being trained.It does so by internalizing the acquired skills and building the physical attributes that govern their performance.
One last thing.
I am enjoying our discussions. If I have offended you then I apologize for the offense but not the content of my position.
I look forward to your reply
Mark
