Chin Na (need some help)
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if you're interested in learning Chinese wrestling (Shuai-chiao) which in fact involves some Chi-na in application (if less in competition), check out this organization: www.shuai-chiao.org
They have a good system and much source material. Its founder, Daniel Weng, trained Matt Furey, when Mr. Furey took first in the Shuai-chiao competition in China.
They have a good system and much source material. Its founder, Daniel Weng, trained Matt Furey, when Mr. Furey took first in the Shuai-chiao competition in China.
delicate Flower
White Belt
I agree with alot of the post, Chi Na is a very dangerous and limb destroying art if not used with extreme caution, My Sensei and I train some Chi na in our system and I can tell you that when they are applied correctly they are extremely painful even in controled practice, I would only use these in life or death situations because some of the damage can be forever.
anytime you're locking a joint, or seizing for control, that's under the Chinese definition of Chin-na by my understanding of it. what are the circumstances that you're looking at studying under, just out of curiosity? seminar, class? there is a man named Yang who travels frequently teaching seminars -- http://school.ymaa.com/
Kensai said:
Yes there are similarities and its completely different. The standard range of armlocks apply, but Chin Na usually goes further into small joint manipulation, breaking, etc. Also, pure Chin Na gets into vital organ attacks, sealing the breath and the blood (chokes), etc. Chin Na does contain strikes (many do not know this) but they are focused on striking to grab, lock, tear, choke, etc. Even some pressure point type attacking during the locks.
7sm
profesormental
Brown Belt
Greetings!
For help in sports wrestling, specially freestyle wrestling, shuai Jiao should help, since it has many throws that use the legs.
Chin Na is usually used for joint controls, which should teach you a lot of how the body works and with some thought you could use it to inadvertedly and inconspicuosly turn your opponent around for pins.
Check which attacks and approaches are sports legal.
Also, to win at wrestling, as in many sports the most helpful thing would be good mental training as to devise strategy and tactics that follow in chains...
that will help you learn CONCIOUSLY how to setup your opponent as in a chess match instead of jsut going moment to moment.
If you want to learn more of that just ask... yet know that it is hardly taught effectively in many sports... the ones that do, by accident or by design ussually win. There are several sports psychology and a few trainers that work on this...
and I taught it to one of my students and despite being out of shape (for national competition) he almost defeated one of the #1 judoka in the Island. (The judoka couldn't believe he couldn't thow him!). He went from throwing my student easily to in a few weeks being unable to.
With more coditioning, he could've kept up the attacks and most probably won... yet as they say...
Conditioning is the best technique.
Sincerely,
Juan M. Mercado
For help in sports wrestling, specially freestyle wrestling, shuai Jiao should help, since it has many throws that use the legs.
Chin Na is usually used for joint controls, which should teach you a lot of how the body works and with some thought you could use it to inadvertedly and inconspicuosly turn your opponent around for pins.
Check which attacks and approaches are sports legal.
Also, to win at wrestling, as in many sports the most helpful thing would be good mental training as to devise strategy and tactics that follow in chains...
that will help you learn CONCIOUSLY how to setup your opponent as in a chess match instead of jsut going moment to moment.
If you want to learn more of that just ask... yet know that it is hardly taught effectively in many sports... the ones that do, by accident or by design ussually win. There are several sports psychology and a few trainers that work on this...
and I taught it to one of my students and despite being out of shape (for national competition) he almost defeated one of the #1 judoka in the Island. (The judoka couldn't believe he couldn't thow him!). He went from throwing my student easily to in a few weeks being unable to.
With more coditioning, he could've kept up the attacks and most probably won... yet as they say...
Conditioning is the best technique.
Sincerely,
Juan M. Mercado
Xue Sheng
All weight is underside
barnaby said:
Don’t forget the muscle and tendon tearing. Joint locking plus, if you will, in some cases
Yang Jwing Ming aka Dr Yang. His main school is outside of Boston.
He is VERY good at Qinna, I have had some experience with his Qinna ability.
And you are right the Chinese Definition of Qinna includes joint locking, but there is more and 7starmantis saved me the trouble of typing it.
And allow me reiterate there are many many Qinna applications, most actually, that just plain do not belong in a sporting competition.
7starmantis said:
Yup that about covers it. It is can be just plain nasty.
There is also a lot of associated strength training parts to Qinna training as well.
And just about every Traditional Chinese Martial art has some aspect of Qinna in it, some more than others.
I agree, its pretty violent as far as the chin na themselves....but I absolutely love chin na!!
Shaolinwind
2nd Black Belt
Brother John said:
This reminds me of my short time in Ying Jow Pai.
I went to the site and copied and pasted the following.
The "Seven Principles" of Eagle Claw kung fu are
Jow Da Cum Na (clawing and locking),
Dim Yut Bye Hei (attacking pressure points and stopping the breath),
Cow Wai Sau Fung (locking),
Diu Cow Fing Lau (controlling, pushing and pulling),
Sim Jim Tong Na (twisting, jumping and dropping to the floor),
Noi Sup Chung Dit (falling and techniques using waist) and
Fun Gun Chaw Quat (cutting veins and shattering bones).
Sounds like Chin-na to me but it was never described as such in classes.
Eagle Claw is very closely related to chin na in my opinion, alot of the same intent.
