windwalker099
2nd Black Belt
Systema, shares a lot of the same concepts found in taiji practices..
Systema kicking exercises
Systema kicking exercises
Chen Style Basics Series -- Zuǒyòu chājiǎo (left and right rub with heel)
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How does a Taiji guy develop/test his Taiji kicking?
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Purple Belt
Actually the feeling of wanting to put “juice” in the kick comes with the whole body contention… I write “wanting” because here I speak out of forms practice perspective.Something that takes a while to train out...
If the whole body is connected, the need to emphasize any one point for solidity or power is eliminated.
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I should explain better, what I mean about that “putting some hip” into the kicks doesn’t mean as isolated move, it’s all synchronized move and fit well with the overall flow of the form.
One quite nice thing with Yang TJQ practice is when all has set in correctly a certain amount of spontaneous “freestyling” comes forth. It’s that point when where one has made the form one’s own……..or maybe it’s a stage of demonic possession
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windwalker099
2nd Black Belt
Only speaking from my perspective and experience, the Taiji community, others may have different views.
"In Taiji, what is referred to as 'kicking' is not isolated or different from any other type of movement practiced. All movements follow the same theory, based on the specific lineage of Taiji being practiced."
As such, it's part of a process, not developed or tested independently as an isolated movement.
Movements are tested statically and dynamically for whole-body connection, six harmony integration, and body alignments that develop inner body alignment awareness.
What is tested are the expressions of the process, as performed by the practitioner, relative to the practitioner.
In Taiji, it is said, "each step is a kick," a concept echoed in Systema , a Russian martial art that shares many of the same principles, though not always based on the same rationale.
my mistake...understanding English is not your first language
The expression, 不用力，用意 (bù yòng lì, yòng yì) "Don't use force, use mind "
often heard by many in their practice.
For those coming from other disciplines, it is often difficult not to "feel" consciously or unconsciously that something should be done, instead of allowing "it" to come from the process itself.
For many, including myself, it is hard to get past this point of trying to add or do something.
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I didn't see an answer for this, so I'll share how it works for me. It gets
reduced to this "The faster you can lift the knee the more power you can generate. The lower leg gets its power from whipping out.". The combination of lifting the knee and using that motion to power the whip of the kick is how I do it. There are other elements that can help create power or make the impact more effective but that's pretty much how it works for me and how I generate power.
That's a big part of what got me about the first video- to my uneducated eye it they appeared to be lifting a mostly stiff, already extended leg. I wasn't seeing a whipping action of the lower leg. I'm seeing body mass being moved, but no additional acceleration of that mass through the lower leg. Am I missing something?
Your analysis is correct. Their exercise is not applications based it's conditioning based so to speak. If you want to improve your front kick then do standing straight leg lefts.
You want to be standing instead of sitting, but you want your leg to lift over and object the same way that is show here. This is the quickest way to build strength for those the front kick lift without putting bad stress on the hip or the knee. If the exercise is too easy then simply raise the leg higher. 5 days a week for 2 months will yield great results. Don't do reps, do time. First start at 30 second rounds 3 sets. at 3 different levels. Low , Mid, High. High would be were the standing leg is at 90. Most people will have trouble getting to that level. So high for them would be the highest level that they can do.
To increase the strength and power of the whipping part. I recommend thinking of it like this " The whipping motion should be like kicking an imaginary nail into the wall. With the ball of your foot. You don't want to kick it with the toe because the nail may go in between the toes. Plus, you don't want your toes to become deformed or broken. Practice kicking a heavy bag in this manner. Using the same low, mid, and high levels that you set for the straight leg lifts.
Remember to whip that lower part of the leg out and not push into the bag. If I were going to use the same exercise that the OP posted then I would make it applications informed and then do separate exercises to help improve the kicks.
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Appledog
Green Belt
It's important for you not to over-analyze the video (or take other people's advice on what should or shouldn't be shown in the video). The video is as-is. The people in the video are beginners. The video is more to illustrate the sequence of movements for people who are already trained in Chen style tai chi.
For those who are interested in improving their Tai Chi kicks and who do not have a teacher I urge you not to take any advice you get on the internet as most of the information you get on forums like this is simply wrong. Get a qualified teacher, that is your only way out. By qualified, I mean someone who has a lineage. If your teacher does not have a clear lineage, you are being cheated.
I think the issue you are going to run into is the discussion of Exercise vs Application. Exercise and Form are one thing. Application is something very different. Form should come from application, but it is often not trained that way.
One cannot fully understand form before understanding application.
Understanding application will help a person to understand form.
Understanding Form will not help to understand application.
An example of this can actually be seen in the video that you posted. One student sinks their stance, but the other only turns. The student who doesn't sink his stance can get away with that in Forms or in Exercise. But in application that sinking becomes important. If Form / Exercise are not trained with the focus of application, then power, motion, and muscle development may not be trained correctly. While the ability to "sink" one's weight is not important in forms or exercises. In application it's very important.
I can't speak about the knowledge of other forums, but I've been impressed with the collection of knowledge on this site. It is not uncommon on this site for advice to be given about martial arts and to have people come back and say how the advice has helped them. If you have conversations with people here, then you'll begin to know which advice to trust.
I do agree about your statement in learning a system. If you are trying to learn a system then it's better to find qualified teacher than to try to learn on your own
