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jks9199
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Bin Laden is dead
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ATTENTION ALL USERS:
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jks9199
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There is a world of difference.
Most of my family died in the camps. Words alone cannot do justice at how I feel about the Nazis. The rest of the world was not complicit to what was done by Mengele. It pains me to no end, but it was done. We came in possession of those medical records. To ignore them would have been an even greater offence to the memory of thos ewho suffered.
That the US is COMPLICIT in the use of torture is what taints the information obtained, if any.
KSM was waterboarded 183 times. He may or may not have mentioned the courier. The last time was 7 years ago. OBL is believed to have been living in that house for the last 5 years. It takes a mighty stretch of the imagination to make the connection between the torture of KSM and the assassination of OBL.
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Twin Fist
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as it was put the other night on the news, the waterboarding? it didnt produce this information.
it produced co-operation, which produced this information
no one can argue that, cuz it is true.
here is how it worked.
he would say NOTHING, till he was boarded.
then he would say EVERYTHING
it cracked him, and broke his WILL
after that, he never had to be boarded again, not for the last 7 years cuz NOW he co-operates.
it produced co-operation, which produced this information
no one can argue that, cuz it is true.
here is how it worked.
he would say NOTHING, till he was boarded.
then he would say EVERYTHING
it cracked him, and broke his WILL
after that, he never had to be boarded again, not for the last 7 years cuz NOW he co-operates.
yorkshirelad
Master Black Belt
I apologize Tez or do you prefer Mrs. Tez?
No Tez, you can mention Gitmo all you want. To tell you the truth, I couldn't care less what you do with the Provos. In the same instance, I don't care about Islamic terrorists either. I don't care that they're in Gitmo and I don't care how Irish Catholic terrorists are treated. I have family that have lived in Tyrone for generations and the effects of the Omagh bombing in August of 98 are still causing great pain. What I find interesting and hypocritical is that you have the gaul to preach to us about the ramifications of our policies yet your government have been at similar business for years. What do you have t say about that? Are the Brits out of order for what they've done in the North....actually in the whole of Ireland? Black and Tans mean anything to you?
Now, I said this so many times in the past that it's becoming a mantra....I don't care if you are a Islamic, Christian, Pagan, buddhist, Hindu, Mormon, or Scientologist terrorist. If you kill and maim innocent people for the peupose of forwarding your religious, or any other ideology for that matter, you should be hunted and dispatched like the dog you are. If you are going to engage the most powerful nation on Earth, kill soldiers and civilian contractors, with no recognizable uniform, in a foreign land, don't expect to be treated like a US citizen, or with Geneva Convention protections. You gave up that right when you became a terrorist!
There's a bit of a contradiction there Tez! "Just pointing out what is common sense" is offering advice!
I think the above post shows quite well where you're getting personal. Although I've been called gormless so many times by my Mum that I now consider it a term of endearment. I know you're angry and upset, but as Bob said this is only a forum. The northern Ireland issue and Gitmo have a correlation. It isn't my intention to derail the thread. It is my intention to show how hypocritical you are. Now, Tez, was it wrong of your government to intern hundred of Irishmen without being charged, without a trial, with no representation, with the only reason being that they were Irish Catholics loyal to a free state? And please don't say it never happened.
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yorkshirelad
Master Black Belt
I am only aware of one time. I don't know where the "several occasions" were!
Empty Hands
Senior Master
You would murder innocent children because their father killed one of yours?
That's a different cloth all right, but not one to be proud of.
A perfect illustration of why we have the laws we do.
LuckyKBoxer
Master Black Belt
I decided long ago you are not worth talking to. Make whatever you want of it, I could care less what you think, you are going to make a mountain out of a molehill and try to villify anyone who is not you or like you anyways.
Mmmm. Nah. Nope. Killing the innocent as an act of revenge pretty much makes you what you are. And you know what you are.
You're the one who built that mountain. B8tching about someone calling it what it is makes it ... your fault.
yorkshirelad
Master Black Belt
What about killing the innocent, as a matter of convenience to the Mother. That seems pretty evil to me!
LuckyKBoxer
Master Black Belt
ya you are your buddies are the ones talking about killing innocents, and setting a picture of extreme circumstances, not me... you and the rest of your demented types can choke on your accusations, assumptions, and misconceptions. I could care less. LEts make it clear though, that it its you and your types using the words, and setting the scenarios you are discussing not me. You can choose to be demented as you want, but don't include me in your deliusions.
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