Best combo for street self defence

[drop bear]

But not all individuals are the same.... not all can do BJJ or Muay Thai.... some are tall, some are short, some re male some are female....so therefore they are not able to defend themselves, is that what is being put forth here? I sure s heck can't do Japanese Jujutsu these days at all, but I use to be pretty good at it....

I can get the same quality steak to make a dish and then the chef makes the difference...but people, individuals, are not steak or controllable products.... no two humans are the same, so therefore, IMO, no to combined arts will work the same for everyone, therefore the individual matters

If the system of training doesn't make a person better at that thing. Then what is the point of the system?

 

[drop bear]

I agree that leg grabs are incredibly effective. What I worry about is knee injuries while training. In the local Carlson Gracie BJJ school, white belts taking down white belts have caused a few serious knee injuries. I’m wary of rolling with other white belts and even one particular blue belt for that exact reason. I really don’t know much about it, but having seen it happen, I don’t want any knee damage in my fifties. Call me chicken, but I will like to keep my drumsticks intact.

You can do in a knee with a hip throw or a leg reap.

 

[drop bear]

Well if you havent actually tried all of the foods or chefs then your blanket statements are objectively bunk as well. Maybe you as the individual are beyond any training because you already “know” about things you have no experience with. That is a lofty place indeed that you cast your opinions from. Please enlighten me about my junk food martial arts training.

Satisfaction does not always equal effectiveness.

 

[Xue Sheng]

If the system of training doesn't make a person better at that thing. Then what is the point of the system?

But the system may be great at making you better, but not me based on my physicality. Point is, a system can be great, but not great for every single person. No two people are alike and not everything is jumping in the ring to fight a match. There is absolutely no way I could train BJJ, does that make BJJ a bad art? No, it means I have had a knee replacement, nor would Judo or even Aikido be a great choice for me. JKD might, Wing Chun works, Muay Thai likely not. Does that mean Muay Thai, Bjj, Judo and Aikido are lacking? or that they just don't fit me?

 

[Steve]

But the system may be great at making you better, but not me based on my physicality. Point is, a system can be great, but not great for every single person. No two people are alike and not everything is jumping in the ring to fight a match. There is absolutely no way I could train BJJ, does that make BJJ a bad art? No, it means I have had a knee replacement, nor would Judo or even Aikido be a great choice for me. JKD might, Wing Chun works, Muay Thai likely not. Does that mean Muay Thai, Bjj, Judo and Aikido are lacking? or that they just don't fit me?

For what it’s worth, talking about some styles or other are lacking is missing the point entirely. I don’t think any style is intrinsically better or worse than any other. but how you learn and what you do with it certainly does.

And it is objectively true that some training models are more reliable than others. Take your 100 average people and train them one way or another, and you will see clear differences in results.

 

[gerardfoy50]

Yes the Philippines can be safe and it can be bricks ( actually saw it start as I was riding away in a cab ) and even blades from history so could happen.

I am just saying that if you ignore weapons you are ignoring a major section of self defense.

Yes the Philippines can be safe and it can be bricks ( actually saw it start as I was riding away in a cab ) and even blades from history so could happen.

I am just saying that if you ignore weapons you are ignoring a major section of self defense.

Absolutely your right there, can’t argue with that

 

[Kung Fu Wang]

I agree that leg grabs are incredibly effective. What I worry about is knee injuries while training.

You don't need to drop that low to execute your single leg.



Actually, when you drop that low, your oponent can pull the back of your neck to make you to kiss the ground.

 

[gerardfoy50]

Once again I find myself in disagreement with you.

But why good sir when clearly I am right

 

[gerardfoy50]

Do we really know that?

Yes I think it’s safe to say we do, I said earlier that boxing is the best hands only style, look what happened when a ufc champ Conor McGregor took on the boxing champ, he got wrecked, if an aikido champ went against a Gracie, it’s only going to end one way

 

[Xue Sheng]

For what it’s worth, talking about some styles or other are lacking is missing the point entirely. I don’t think any style is intrinsically better or worse than any other. but how you learn and what you do with it certainly does.

And it is objectively true that some training models are more reliable than others. Take your 100 average people and train them one way or another, and you will see clear differences in results.

Agreed...but define "average people"... what makes a person average...and I am thinking you are talking physically.

 

[Xue Sheng]

Yes I think it’s safe to say we do, I said earlier that boxing is the best hands only style, look what happened when a ufc champ Conor McGregor took on the boxing champ, he got wrecked, if an aikido champ went against a Gracie, it’s only going to end one way

Problem with that scenario...... Aikido is not a sport, therefore there is no such thing as an "Aikido Champ"

 

[Steve]

Agreed...but define "average people"... what makes a person average...and I am thinking you are talking physically.

Like average. I mean, it really doesn't matter. Take a random group of 100 men who are 40 years old. Or 30... or 20... or women. If they aren't physically capable of performing the task, I get it. We agree that individual is some of it.

But you take 100 similar people with no particular aptitude for an activity, how they are trained and how they use their training will make clear, obvious differences in their skill level. This is true for any activity. You take 100 people and teach them BJJ, some in a good program where opportunity to apply their skills, they will obviously outperform those in a poor program.

We can get into what "good" means, but that's a different discussion. The point is, it's not ALL the individual. It's a little the individual, and a lot the program.

Edit: Guys, I don't know why this is controversial. I was pointing out that "it's all about the individual" is nonsense... it's an absolute statement that is clearly not true. I think it's much more accurate and reasonable to say that it's some (a little) about the individual, and a lot about how they train and apply the skills.

 

[Wing Woo Gar]

Satisfaction does not always equal effectiveness.

I agree with your statement. In each individual case we don’t know the effectiveness. For example, I trained in several martial arts. I would hesitate to call myself mma, but perhaps that is true. I use boxing skills, jujitsu skills, CMA skills and add a few things I have learned from different folks over the years. It seems to have been effective for me. I have not competed using those skills in a sanctioned event so I can’t speak to how well i would do in that arena. I am never satisfied with my performance, I train hard, and I am honest and realistic about my ability. I am past any fighting prime in my fifties but I do believe I have some skills after a lifetime of training. I don’t claim to have the best, and I am certain there is much that I am ignorant of in martial arts. I am always open to learning new things from others. That’s why I have a white belt in BJJ. I am of the firm belief that I must stay open to concepts and ideas that I am unfamiliar with if I want to grow as a martial artist. To do that, I have to be willing to put aside what I think I know.

 

[Buka]

And that's why I keep my socks on lol. But seriously, I need to wear black socks so my white socks can stop turning brown lol. I wish there was something we could clean the mats with.

Soap, water and elbow grease?

 

[Kung Fu Wang]

It's a little the individual, and a lot the program.

Agree with you 100% on this. If an Aikido instructor sents all his students to compete in Judo/wrestling/boxing/Sanda/MMA/... tournament, he will have some good Aikido fighters.

 

[gerardfoy50]

Problem with that scenario...... Aikido is not a sport, therefore there is no such thing as an "Aikido Champ"

Really

 

[Xue Sheng]

Like average. I mean, it really doesn't matter. Take a random group of 100 men who are 40 years old. Or 30... or 20... or women. If they aren't physically capable of performing the task, I get it. We agree that individual is some of it.

But you take 100 similar people with no particular aptitude for an activity, how they are trained and how they use their training will make clear, obvious differences in their skill level. This is true for any activity. You take 100 people and teach them BJJ, some in a good program where opportunity to apply their skills, they will obviously outperform those in a poor program.

We can get into what "good" means, but that's a different discussion. The point is, it's not ALL the individual. It's a little the individual, and a lot the program.

Edit: Guys, I don't know why this is controversial. I was pointing out that "it's all about the individual" is nonsense... it's an absolute statement that is clearly not true. I think it's much more accurate and reasonable to say that it's some (a little) about the individual, and a lot about how they train and apply the skills.

Same can be said for anything, Yoga, BJJ, Barn dancing, Aikido, MMA, Rock climbing, Water skiing, Wrestling, Tap dancing, Race car driving, Gymnastics...... and good program generally will give you better results than a bad program..... but still..... it depends on the individual as to how good they will get at any of it...

I won't take it further, only to say we do not agree on to what degree the individual plays. I feel it is a lot more than you do. And I'm ok with that disagreement.

I am simply not going to make this about style vs style, which seems to be where some want to take it. Because style vs style is not what I am talking about at all, I am talking about individual ability

 

[Xue Sheng]

Really

yup

 

[Steve]

I won't take it further, only to say we so not agree on to what degree the individual plays. I feel it is a lot more than you do. And I'm ok with that disagreement.

Sounds good.

I am simply not going to make this about style vs style, which seems to be where some want to take it. Because style vs style is not what I am talking about at all

We agree on this completely.

 

[Xue Sheng]

Sounds good.

We agree on this completely.

Yup

Sorry, I edited that a bit, your response was quicker than my edit, but I did not change what I said.